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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

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    When dealing with Adam you have to realize he is not capable of actually discussing a topic. He thinks as long as he can point to anyone in history who has ever done anything wrong then it automatically justifies anything that any democrat does. They can do no wrong no matter what as long as someone in history has ever done anything wrong.
    When dealing with me I'm afraid that you will have to view things in context and not pretend that the world was created in January of 2009.
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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What you missed is that it happened under both Obama and Bush's watch, but of course one isn't permitted to point that out.

    But once again -- it was a **** up, it's being dealth with. It should have been dealt with sooner.



    Why does it need to be pointed out? nothing can come of trying to make excuses for the Obama. It's his mess, he is responsible. who does the buck stop with?
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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

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    Why does it need to be pointed out? nothing can come of trying to make excuses for the Obama. It's his mess, he is responsible. who does the buck stop with?
    It needs to be pointed out, IMO, because it's factually true.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sorry, but it's obvious that Republicans are trying to turn this into a political football. If your team wants to play partisan games, don't whine when the President responds in kind.
    Democrats created the GSA, like most every governmental money pit. To blame Bush is just truly spineless and weak.

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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It needs to be pointed out, IMO, because it's factually true.

    what does it solve by doing so? what purpose does it serve? Please, explain.
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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I'm comfused. How is this statement applicable to anything that I said?
    You said, "My problem with Obama on this is he, like he does with everything negative, is he deflected the blame. He does not seem capable of accepting responsibility for anything."

    I said, "You know he's running for reelection, right?"

    You don't see any connection? You're not familiar with the fact that politicians running for reelection generally try to emphasize their accomplishments and minimize their failures?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

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    what does it solve by doing so? what purpose does it serve? Please, explain.
    You don't think telling the truth is its own reward?

    What purpose does this thread serve? Is it going to fix the problem?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You said, "My problem with Obama on this is he, like he does with everything negative, is he deflected the blame. He does not seem capable of accepting responsibility for anything."

    I said, "You know he's running for reelection, right?"

    You don't see any connection? You're not familiar with the fact that politicians running for reelection generally try to emphasize their accomplishments and minimize their failures?



    So you are now admitting this was an Obama failure? PROGRESS! PROGRESS! I says! kudos to you!
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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You don't think telling the truth is its own reward?

    truthful or not, it's as irrellevant as posting you had mexican for dinner last night. once again you duck the question.

    What purpose does this thread serve? Is it going to fix the problem?

    More irrelevant musings! What purpose does your "well bush did it too! neenner neener" posts serve? Why did you post it. No deflection now. why?
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    Re: White House points finger at Bush administration for GSA debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    truthful or not, it's as irrellevant as posting you had mexican for dinner last night. once again you duck the question.




    More irrelevant musings! What purpose does your "well bush did it too! neenner neener" posts serve? Why did you post it. No deflection now. why?
    It serves exactly the same purpose as your "Obama had a clown party!!" posts.

    Nor do I think it's in any way irrelevant. The common wingnut line is that Obama is the worst human being EVER!! Whether that determination is based on objective reason or partisan bull**** can often be determined by examining whether or not the speaker gives a damn that the exact same sort of thing went on when their team was in charge. Capiche?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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