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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    As I said, those are good, but we need budget control. We need fiscal responsibility. Other organizations are capable of exercising fiscal responsibility. The GSA needs to start a program of fiscal responsibility and should conduct a full audit over the last 10 years.
    The irony of all this is that that is exactly what the GSA is supposed to do! And it's what they do every day. Apparently, like a lot of people, they are less vigilant when it comes to themselves.

    But in any case, it's why it's a silly notion that we should start *another* agency to watch the agency that's watching all the other agencies. Then we can start an agency to watch the agency that's watching the other agencies, and on ad infinitum.
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "dumbass bonus". **chuckle**


    so you hold Obama 30% as responsible for cleaing up the GSA as your do for Bush which you hold 70% ...... How would you propose Bush clean it up now?

    Also, I've also shown you, with links that Obama knew about it, in 2010. We can not simply ignore uncomfortable facts, I'm sorry.
    No, that's not what I said ... of course.

    And you've shown dick about what Obama himself knew. Apparently some people in his administration knew, but AFAIK there is no direct conduit to Obama's brain.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, that's not what I said ... of course.

    And you've shown dick about what Obama himself knew. Apparently some people in his administration knew, but AFAIK there is no direct conduit to Obama's brain.


    Once again, here for you to pretend you haven't seen:


    Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid conference controversy | Fox News


    "The Inspector General Office’s report last week about the 2010 General Services Administration conference outside of Las Vegas indicates the Obama administration knew about the trip since May 2010. The report was followed by a release of videos."


    i'll keep this in my bookmarks for the next time you want to plead ignorance.
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Once again, here for you to pretend you haven't seen:


    Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid conference controversy | Fox News


    "The Inspector General Office’s report last week about the 2010 General Services Administration conference outside of Las Vegas indicates the Obama administration knew about the trip since May 2010. The report was followed by a release of videos."


    i'll keep this in my bookmarks for the next time you want to plead ignorance.
    Do you even bother to read my posts? To repeat, someone in Obama's administration knowing =/= Obama himself knowing. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But you certainly haven't shown that he did.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The irony of all this is that that is exactly what the GSA is supposed to do! And it's what they do every day. Apparently, like a lot of people, they are less vigilant when it comes to themselves.

    But in any case, it's why it's a silly notion that we should start *another* agency to watch the agency that's watching all the other agencies. Then we can start an agency to watch the agency that's watching the other agencies, and on ad infinitum.
    Yes, the comedy of who watches the watcher. I never suggested and additional agency though. That is the last thing I want. Don't expand the government, contract.
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Yes, the comedy of who watches the watcher. I never suggested and additional agency though. That is the last thing I want. Don't expand the government, contract.
    Yes, government contracts! Those are definitely not prone to corruption!
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you even bother to read my posts? To repeat, someone in Obama's administration knowing =/= Obama himself knowing. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But you certainly haven't shown that he did.



    One would think that he would dismiss this person, or his campaign manager at least, given the nature of issue this would cause his re-election campaign, but sure, you go on making excuses for him.....
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

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    One would think that he would dismiss this person, or his campaign manager at least, given the nature of issue this would cause his re-election campaign, but sure, you go on making excuses for him.....
    Apparently you don't read your own posts, either.

    General Services Administrator Martha Johnson and Steven Leeds, senior counselor to the administrator, were told in May 2011 about the investigation of the conference. They resigned Monday.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Apparently you don't read your own posts, either.


    Those are GSA folks, pay attention, this is getting trivial, your president didn't fire his staff that "failed" to notify him..... again (first time was in 2010)... Why I do find hysterical, is you blamed bush, but if we were to apply your own argument, how would he have known?


    SO now, in order to not look like a hypocrite, you need to say "It was not bush's fault either"... on the count of three...
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    Re: Politics Obama administration points to rise in GSA costs under Bush amid confere

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The irony of all this is that that is exactly what the GSA is supposed to do! And it's what they do every day. Apparently, like a lot of people, they are less vigilant when it comes to themselves.

    But in any case, it's why it's a silly notion that we should start *another* agency to watch the agency that's watching all the other agencies. Then we can start an agency to watch the agency that's watching the other agencies, and on ad infinitum.
    Dude, its what the Inspector General does. Have them conduct a simple line audit and if enough monkeying around is apparent, go for the forensic audit. One guy can run all of that and it wont even take him 2 weeks if hes worth his paycheck. GSA isnt a overly large agency. Its surprising they have that much leeway in their budget.

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