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Jobs recovery suffers setback in March

Manc Skipper said:
Did I say that he was hated because he was black? No, that association is in your head, and those of your particular cardplaying ilk, not mine.
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Well, actually you did indeed say exactly that...I realize that you thought that enough time had passed, and enough pages of posting had past to allow you to lie, but here are your own words....

Manic Skipper said:
It's pathetic how "patriots" will rush to talk their country down at every opportunity because they hate a black man so much.
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Now cut the crap will ya?

j-mac
 
Mycroft said:
First of all, there are NO "People like me". I'm one of a kind.

Second of all, without Obama and his Democratic-controlled government we would already be much better off than we are right now because we wouldn't have the economy-depressing spectre of Obamacare hanging over our heads.
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Hopefully not for long. Would love to see that monstrosity struck down. Bet we would see hiring then.
 
Fortunately, more and more people just give up trying to find work each month. That's the sign of a very healthy economy. Obamanomics !!!
 
Mycroft said:
First of all, there are NO "People like me". I'm one of a kind.

Second of all, without Obama and his Democratic-controlled government we would already be much better off than we are right now because we wouldn't have the economy-depressing spectre of Obamacare hanging over our heads.
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Where are all the jobs the GOP promised after the 2010 election? Odd once they took over they stopped talking about jobs and turned their attention to the debt ceiling...wonder why that was...hmmmm...
 
JasonI said:
Where are all the jobs the GOP promised after the 2010 election? Odd once they took over they stopped talking about jobs and turned their attention to the debt ceiling...wonder why that was...hmmmm...
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The republicans hold one house, congress. And even wield less power when you consider that only 23 of those republicans are elected on the platform of reform toward less government, and they are freshman congressmen. Now, throw in Harry Reid controlling the agenda in the Senate, and Obama refusing to sign things via threat of veto if these measures reach his desk, and you see quickly that it still isn't enough for those republicans to achieve, and overcome the destruction that liberals are putting in place.

j-mac
 
Yes liberals, Obama inherited a mess. What is in dispute is this retarded and erroneous notion that things are getting better.

1) If we had the same Labor Force Participation as when Obama took office, the unemployment rate would be closer to 10.8 %

2) The number on food stamps sets a new record every month.

3) We are not only a country propped up by government debt, but Obama has expanded that debt. He is now the debt king of all time, and he did it in less than one term. All Obama has done is kick the can.

4) Worst of all, we now are the biggest buyers of our own debt. That's Obama crapping in the can before he kicks it.

Its one big phoney artificial "recovery".
 
j-mac said:
The republicans hold one house, congress. And even wield less power when you consider that only 23 of those republicans are elected on the platform of reform toward less government, and they are freshman congressmen. Now, throw in Harry Reid controlling the agenda in the Senate, and Obama refusing to sign things via threat of veto if these measures reach his desk, and you see quickly that it still isn't enough for those republicans to achieve, and overcome the destruction that liberals are putting in place.

j-mac
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Did they propose any real "job creating" legislation that didn't solely rely on tax cuts and getting rid of regulations, which we all know don't work?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Yes liberals, Obama inherited a mess. What is in dispute is this retarded and erroneous notion that things are getting better.

1) If we had the same Labor Force Participation as when Obama took office, the unemployment rate would be closer to 10.8 %

2) The number on food stamps sets a new record every month.

3) We are not only a country propped up by government debt, but Obama has expanded that debt. He is now the debt king of all time, and he did it in less than one term. All Obama has done is kick the can.

4) Worst of all, we now are the biggest buyers of our own debt. That's Obama crapping in the can before he kicks it.

Its one big phoney artificial "recovery".
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Any facts to back these items up? According to factcheck.org, more people were added to food stamps under Bush than any other president...

I didn't look up the others so I'd appreciate your links to back up your statements...

FactCheck.org : Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Yes liberals, Obama inherited a mess. What is in dispute is this retarded and erroneous notion that things are getting better.

1) If we had the same Labor Force Participation as when Obama took office, the unemployment rate would be closer to 10.8 %

2) The number on food stamps sets a new record every month.

3) We are not only a country propped up by government debt, but Obama has expanded that debt. He is now the debt king of all time, and he did it in less than one term. All Obama has done is kick the can.

4) Worst of all, we now are the biggest buyers of our own debt. That's Obama crapping in the can before he kicks it.

Its one big phoney artificial "recovery".
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Although several of your points are correct, there are many facets of the economy that have gotten better since he was elected as pointed out in this thread. If you would prefer to ignore them that is your prerogative.
 
Eighty Deuce

We are not only a country propped up by government debt, but Obama has expanded that debt. He is now the debt king of all time, and he did it in less than one term. All Obama has done is kick the can.
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President Ronald reagan tripled the national debt he started with. Has President Obama tripled the debt he started with?
 
JasonI said:
Did they propose any real "job creating" legislation that didn't solely rely on tax cuts and getting rid of regulations, which we all know don't work?
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Let's stick with the bolded part here, because your caveat aside, the answer would be yes, yes they have....

The fact that you have to place in the incorrect progressive talking point that "tax cuts don't work" shows that you are only regurgitating what Debbie Wasserman Schultz vomits, and you are there to lick it up.


j-mac
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Fortunately, more and more people just give up trying to find work each month. That's the sign of a very healthy economy. Obamanomics !!!
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Yes, it is in Ubama's fantasy land. His goal to get unemployment down is to get as many as possible to stop looking for work and get as many as he can on the public dole. Cloward - Piven strategy.
 
haymarket said:
Eighty Deuce



President Ronald reagan tripled the national debt he started with. Has President Obama tripled the debt he started with?
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Ahhh...The old liberal lie once again....You'd think after being schooled on this for the past 30 years, it would sink in but alas, I guess only that which fits your own preconceived, and indoctrinated notions of what fact is, just so others can see what those facts actually are....Here you go.


OK, so Obama said … “as far back as the 1980s, America started amassing debt at more alarming levels…” And if you ever have heard about the 1980s, the liberal mantra always has been that “Reagan reduced tax rates on the rich and that caused the national debt to triple”.

That is nonsense. Here are the numbers again:

In 1980, when Ronald Reagan was elected, the GDP was $2.79 trillion, and the debt was 32.6% of GDP. In the last full year of Ronald Regan’s tenure in 1988, GDP was $5.1 trillion, and the debt was 51% of GDP.

So notice that the GDP increased by a whopping 82% over just 8 years under Reagan. That is a huge leap. Under Obama between 2008 and 2010, it increased only about 3%.

Reagan did cut taxes on “the rich” from 70% to 28%, a drop of 60%. By liberal accounting, that should have caused revenues to the government to fall by 60%. But revenues to the federal treasury went from $517 billion in 1980 to $991 billion in 1989, increasing by 91%. Wow! So indeed, tax cuts on the wealthy did what they always do – they produced economic growth. In 1921, cuts in the top rate from 63% to 25% produced The Roaring 1920s.

The liberals never, ever want you to know about the huge surge in the economy in the 1980s, and huge gains in employment, more than 20 million jobs. They only like to point out that during Reagan’s presidency the debt increased from $909 billion in 1980 when Reagan was elected to $2.857 trillion by 1989 when Reagan left office. So they always say, “Reagan tripled the national debt because he lowered tax rates”.

Technically, they can say that that is true, that he tripled the debt. But if you consider the debt increase as a percentage of the whole national wealth (GDP) went from 32.6% to 51%, that is a 59% increase relative to the whole economy, not a 300% increase (tripling) like liberals say. And still, after defeating the Soviet Union with a huge military buildup, the final debt of the Reagan years was only about half (51% of GDP) of what it is today (100% of GDP).

Yet even this 59% increase in the debt was caused mostly by the Democrats in Congress. Here is how:

Reagan cut top tax rates which set off an economic boom, causing huge inflows to the treasury. He then spent some of that money on the military to defeat the Soviet Union – certainly some of the best-spent dollars in American history.

But at the same time, the heavily-Democrat Congress went on a wild spending spree after promising not to, like typical Democrats (the agreement was called TEFRA. You can search it on the internet to read about it). So it was not tax cuts that caused the debt – they caused the boom. And while military spending did cause the debt to rise somewhat, it was the Democrats’ massive spending that really caused the spike.

Yet Reagan policies have historically been blamed by Democrats like Obama only for the bad things but never for the really big accomplishments which were a booming economy and, most significantly, the defeat of Soviet communism.

About That ‘Reagan Debt’ | RedState
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JasonI said:
Did they propose any real "job creating" legislation that didn't solely rely on tax cuts and getting rid of regulations, which we all know don't work?
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Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. EPA is impacting the coal industry very heavily. 60000 jobs with a significant payroll impact are closing solely due to EPA requirements that were not passed as part of a legislative bill but as regulations that EPA self promulgated.

The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators - GOP.gov its about time the false talking point of "the republicans have no plan" is gone. They have one, the left just doesnt like it, nor does the media. The House has passed some 17 bills that are economic in nature and are intended for job creation. Harry Reid has had many of them on his desk for a long time.

There are some I dont agree with like 2682 and 2779 because default swaps and derivatives are da debil.
 
j-mac said:
Let's stick with the bolded part here, because your caveat aside, the answer would be yes, yes they have....

The fact that you have to place in the incorrect progressive talking point that "tax cuts don't work" shows that you are only regurgitating what Debbie Wasserman Schultz vomits, and you are there to lick it up.


j-mac
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So, are you compiling the list?

Tax cuts don't create jobs...demand creates jobs...
 
JasonI said:
So, are you compiling the list?

Tax cuts don't create jobs...demand creates jobs...
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:doh expressed demand is a function of supply.
 
JasonI said:
So, are you compiling the list?

Tax cuts don't create jobs...demand creates jobs...
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what was the known demand for the ipad before it was built?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. EPA is impacting the coal industry very heavily. 60000 jobs with a significant payroll impact are closing solely due to EPA requirements that were not passed as part of a legislative bill but as regulations that EPA self promulgated.

The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators - GOP.gov its about time the false talking point of "the republicans have no plan" is gone. They have one, the left just doesnt like it, nor does the media. The House has passed some 17 bills that are economic in nature and are intended for job creation. Harry Reid has had many of them on his desk for a long time.

There are some I dont agree with like 2682 and 2779 because default swaps and derivatives are da debil.
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Free trade pacts - check (these only help big corps ship jobs off shore and create tax havens...bad move by Obama
Patent reform - check
energy production - check (domestic production is up double digits from Bush)

so you are pretty much left with cutting taxes on the rich and cutting regulations, which is exactly why we are in the mess we are in...great!!!
 
does that mean you can't answer the question?


Theoretical Demand is infinite. Theoretically, at a certain price, I have a demand for a herd of Clydesdale's. Expressed demand is what I am able and willing to actually trade for, and it is a function of supply. You can't trade for goods or services until you have something to trade.

Trying to stimulate growth by "increasing demand", therefore, is pushing on a string. You aren't pulling the right lever.
 
cpwill said:
does that mean you can't answer the question?


Theoretical Demand is infinite. Theoretically, at a certain price, I have a demand for a herd of Clydesdale's. Expressed demand is what I am able and willing to actually trade for, and it is a function of supply. You can't trade for goods or services until you have something to trade.

Trying to stimulate growth by "increasing demand", therefore, is pushing on a string. You aren't pulling the right lever.
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If you are trying to get to a point, I'll wait patiently...
 
cpwill said:
does that mean you can't answer the question?


Theoretical Demand is infinite. Theoretically, at a certain price, I have a demand for a herd of Clydesdale's. Expressed demand is what I am able and willing to actually trade for, and it is a function of supply. You can't trade for goods or services until you have something to trade.

Trying to stimulate growth by "increasing demand", therefore, is pushing on a string. You aren't pulling the right lever.
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Are you really implying that growth and increased demand aren't directly linked? Right now we're seeing evidence to the contrary, minimal growth despite relatively friendly tax rates due to the dip in disposable income for the lower and middle classes (hence less demand for products in general.) We've seen economies in the past with much higher tax rates on the wealthy flourish because of the success in the lower and middle class (more disposable income to be spent on products that aren't deemed necessities) not because of tax cuts for the business owners themselves. It's almost impossible to separate the two concepts.
 
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