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Jobs recovery suffers setback in March

washunut said:
Please note and try to understand that I did NOT say that the economy was not recovering. You said that the FUNDAMENTALS were sound, that is what I took issue with.

As a sidenote I wonder what people mean when they say we need to work on the deficit in the midterm. That has been said for three years now, so what you consider midterm. Also I mentioned monetary policies which have nothing to do with the fiscal issues and which you did not address.
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Actually I did not say fundamentals. I quoted an economist who used the word "fundamentals" but who did not say, as you claimed, that the fundamentals "of the economy" are sound. What he said is that the fundamentals "of the recovery are solid." In other words, he was just saying that he didn't think the recent reduction in job growth signaled a serious reversal. I think you read way too much into the comment.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I heard Saddam Hussein (whoops I Mean Hussein Obama:) I get them mixed up) bragging about this today.............Boy is he clueless.


Jobs recovery suffers setback in March - Yahoo! Finance

By Lucia Mutikani
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employers hired far fewer workers in March than in previous months, keeping the door open for the Federal Reserve to provide more monetary support for a still sluggish economy.
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That's not clever.
 
Meathead said:
Yeah, of course it's Bush's fault.

On a more serious note, I can't believe this idiot actually has a chance of re-election.
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Wait who blamed anything on Bush? Was it that Obama inherited a failed economy?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Wait who blamed anything on Bush? Was it that Obama inherited a failed economy?
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NO Dem Soc, the failed economies are socialist like Greece. If a recession, even a bad one, were indicative of a failed economy the US would be third-world.
 
Meathead said:
NO Dem Soc, the failed economies are socialist
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What?!?!?! Its socialist if the private sector and private banks fail? That is absolutely idiotic...

like Greece.
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The workers own the means of production in Greece?

If a recession, even a bad one, were indicative of a failed economy the US would be third-world.
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What?

How is this at all a response to my comment...??
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What?!?!?! Its socialist if the private sector and private banks fail? That is absolutely idiotic...


The workers own the means of production in Greece?


What?

How is this at all a response to my comment...??
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The socialist economies of the former Warsaw Pact failed, that's what failure is DS. They failed so badly that communist countries like Vietnam and China have abandoned you ideal in all but name. At least they are not stupid. Workers owning the means of production, FFS?!
 
Meathead said:
The socialist economies of the former Warsaw Pact failed, that's what failure is DS.
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The workers owned the means of production in the Warsaw Pact countries?
And what does the Warsaw pact have anything to do with this thread?

They failed so badly that communist countries like Vietnam and China have abandoned you ideal in all but name.
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Vietnam and China reached communism?

At least they are not stupid.
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Yea they are reallll smart...

Workers owning the means of production, FFS?!
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Socialism. Ever heard of it.

What does your responses have anything to do with this thread again?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The workers owned the means of production in the Warsaw Pact countries?
And what does the Warsaw pact have anything to do with this thread?


Vietnam and China reached communism?


Yea they are reallll smart...


Socialism. Ever heard of it.

What does your responses have anything to do with this thread again?
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Give it up DS, you're beating a dead horse.
 
Meathead said:
Give it up DS, you're beating a dead horse.
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I'm not beating anything friend. Im sitting on a chair typing at a keyboard being distracted from doing my homework. I dont own or horse or nor am i near any horses to beat.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I'm not beating anything friend. Im sitting on a chair typing at a keyboard being distracted from doing my homework. I dont own or horse or nor am i near any horses to beat.
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Then by all means do your homework and get back to me once you've grappled with your level of sophistication. By that time I trust we can have a meaningful dialog. I apologize for impeding your efforts to better yourself in view of the fact that you are a "Democratic Socialist" and your apparent thirst for knowledge.
 
Meathead said:
Then by all means do your homework and get back to me once you've grappled with your level of sophistication. By that time I trust we can have a meaningful dialog. I apologize for impeding your efforts to better yourself in view of the fact that you are a "Democratic Socialist" and your apparent thirst for knowledge.
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Your dialog you are trying to have has nothing to do with this thread....
You want to argue about socialism and communism then i suggest we move this discussion to this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/94893-why-socialism-and-communism-hated-148.html
 
A bit disappointing, but 6 digit job growth is still moving in a positive direction. Last month's report was revised upward to 240,000+ (from 227,000), and i have little doubt this current survey will be revised upward as well. To put it into perspective, roughly 1.9 million jobs were created from March, 2011 to March, 2012.
 
Kushinator said:
A bit disappointing, but 6 digit job growth is still moving in a positive direction. Last month's report was revised upward to 240,000+ (from 227,000), and i have little doubt this current survey will be revised upward as well. To put it into perspective, roughly 1.9 million jobs were created from March, 2011 to March, 2012.
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Yep, the margin of error on these reports is huge. In fact I think the last three or four reports have been revised upward.
 
Mycroft said:
Any way you want to look at it...any way you want to spin it...the fact remains: This "recovery" is pathetic.

Thanks, Obama...for nothing.
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The funny thing is People like you think it would be different under a republocrat president. Regardless of who was in office, the recovery eras going to be anemic because it was caused by a debt cycle collapse.
 
Navy Pride said:
I heard Saddam Hussein (whoops I Mean Hussein Obama:) I get them mixed up) bragging about this today.............Boy is he clueless.


Jobs recovery suffers setback in March - Yahoo! Finance

By Lucia Mutikani
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employers hired far fewer workers in March than in previous months, keeping the door open for the Federal Reserve to provide more monetary support for a still sluggish economy.
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Well that is pretty pathetic. Can you stoop to a little more vile tactics?
 
Navy Pride said:
I heard Saddam Hussein (whoops I Mean Hussein Obama:) I get them mixed up) bragging about this today.............Boy is he clueless.


Jobs recovery suffers setback in March - Yahoo! Finance

By Lucia Mutikani
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employers hired far fewer workers in March than in previous months, keeping the door open for the Federal Reserve to provide more monetary support for a still sluggish economy.
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He's clueless?
 
j-mac said:
There it is...I swear, it could be 2015 with Obama the liar in his second term, and you Obama sheeple would still be blaming Bush like busted children. Face it, Obama is a fake, a fraud, a failure.
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So don't blame Bush when Bush was responsible. Gotcha.
 
Mycroft said:
Any way you want to look at it...any way you want to spin it...the fact remains: This "recovery" is pathetic.

Thanks, Obama...for nothing.
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Ok... which pill do you want to take?

The red pill or the blue pill?


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xpiher said:
The funny thing is People like you think it would be different under a republocrat president. Regardless of who was in office, the recovery eras going to be anemic because it was caused by a debt cycle collapse.
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Not necessarily, 100% the total cause...Earlier AdamT listed out some things that I'd like to highlight here because it seems to fit...He said...

AdamT said:
What we have is 24 straight months (or is it 25 now?) of jobs growth, strong corporate profits, strong markets, falling unemployment, rising consumer confidence, expanding manufacturing.... So I'd that things are clearly improving...
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So let's take a look at these pronouncements one by one if we can...

First - "What we have is 24 straight months (or is it 25 now?) of jobs growth"

According to even the most sycophantic to Obama, Monthly job creation has to be maintained at the 150K rate according to the NYTimes article in June of 2011. And in an interesting take by the Business Insider we need far more than that to see real gains Preventing A Higher Unemployment Rate Will Take New More Jobs Than You Think - Business Insider

Now if you or Adam want to think that it is a success to manipulate numbers, and spew talking point pablum to keep the restless masses calm, then have at it, but it is BS!

Second - "strong corporate profits"

Corporations are holding on to many of what they would normally expend in expansion, and hiring due to uncertainty, and outright attack of business by this thug in the WH.

Third - "strong markets"

pfft! Yeah, markets propped up by fiat, digitized money that is far from real. Ask anyone in the know, and they will tell you that our stock market should be at about 8K right now if the truth were being told.

Fourth - "falling unemployment"

Yeah, do more to people dropping off the roles of those actively looking...You can't claim things are getting better when the workforce is shrinking due to the horrid conditions in finding a job.

Fifth - "rising consumer confidence"

What? Who are we kidding here? People are not buying anything they don't absolutely have to buy...This is a joke.

Sixth - "expanding manufacturing...."

Where? in solor panels that the government props up with our half Billion dollars right before they fail?

And lastly - "So I'd that things are clearly improving..."

Only in a liberal bubble can one claim that anything is improving!!! Gas priced at $4, Home energy bills through the roof, Grocery prices up 30%, America divided thanks to Barry, and his rhetoric, and all the while no real jobs. What a success story....NOT!


j-mac
 
The fact that you think gas prices are a result of presidential polices is funny. I agree with you about the stock market, but thats what absorbing most of the inflation. Food prices up 30%? Not sure about that one. It could be due to general inflation but from what I've ready its more due to increased transpiration cost.
 
j-mac said:
Not necessarily, 100% the total cause...Earlier AdamT listed out some things that I'd like to highlight here because it seems to fit...He said...



So let's take a look at these pronouncements one by one if we can...

First - "What we have is 24 straight months (or is it 25 now?) of jobs growth"

According to even the most sycophantic to Obama, Monthly job creation has to be maintained at the 150K rate according to the NYTimes article in June of 2011. And in an interesting take by the Business Insider we need far more than that to see real gains Preventing A Higher Unemployment Rate Will Take New More Jobs Than You Think - Business Insider

Now if you or Adam want to think that it is a success to manipulate numbers, and spew talking point pablum to keep the restless masses calm, then have at it, but it is BS!

Second - "strong corporate profits"

Corporations are holding on to many of what they would normally expend in expansion, and hiring due to uncertainty, and outright attack of business by this thug in the WH.

Third - "strong markets"

pfft! Yeah, markets propped up by fiat, digitized money that is far from real. Ask anyone in the know, and they will tell you that our stock market should be at about 8K right now if the truth were being told.

Fourth - "falling unemployment"

Yeah, do more to people dropping off the roles of those actively looking...You can't claim things are getting better when the workforce is shrinking due to the horrid conditions in finding a job.

Fifth - "rising consumer confidence"

What? Who are we kidding here? People are not buying anything they don't absolutely have to buy...This is a joke.

Sixth - "expanding manufacturing...."

Where? in solor panels that the government props up with our half Billion dollars right before they fail?

And lastly - "So I'd that things are clearly improving..."

Only in a liberal bubble can one claim that anything is improving!!! Gas priced at $4, Home energy bills through the roof, Grocery prices up 30%, America divided thanks to Barry, and his rhetoric, and all the while no real jobs. What a success story....NOT!


j-mac
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So in lieu of facts as a rebuttal, you're going to resort to outright denial? If you actually cared to do the research, most if not all of those claims are correct, it's not as rosy as some would have use believe, but it's certainly not as dire of a situation as the right would like to portray.
 
AdamT said:
Believe it or not, the past doesn't change just because you want it to. Three years ago Obama inherited a failing economy, and twenty three years from now he still will have inherited a failing economy. :shrug:

Anyway, the analysis I've seen on the March jobs numbers basically says that the extremely warm winter stole some jobs from spring. IOW, Dec. - Feb. weren't quite as strong as they appeared and March wasn't quite as weak as it appeared. Next month should tell us a lot.

Mild winter may have artificially inflated jobs data, economists fear - The Washington Post
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And once Ubama is dictator in chief we'll still have 23 years of crap.
 
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