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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then I guess it would be okay for someone to accuse you of child molestation with no basis for such an accusation right?

    That is why. You don't accuse someone of something without reasoning.
    You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

    So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.

    *I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.

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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

    So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.

    *I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.

    Tell that to George Zimmerman
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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by DeoVindice View Post
    Tell that to George Zimmerman
    I don't know him so I can't do that.

    In any case, such accusations can reach a bigger scale as in the Zimmerman/Martin case just like accusations of being stupid can reach bigger scales like it does for celebrities like Kim Kardashian or the people from Jersey Shore. In general though, both accusations aren't life changing. They don't matter and the people being accused rarely even hear about them. That's my point.

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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So if it's possible, then your demand for evidence is in vain.
    I said anything is possible. And I meant... anything.
    To better understand my idea of "possible", I also categorize the storyline behind the movie the Matrix to be "possibly" a reality.



    Why is it a "remote possibility" and not just a "possibility"?
    With no reason or basis behind the accusation it means nothing. Baselessly accusing someone of something is not worthy of recognition.


    It's not baseless if it's true and you just admitted that it's possible that it's true.
    Possible does not = True.

    In that case, it is true that we are just better cells for large robots while plugged into a program called the "Matrix". It is true, because this is possible.......
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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

    So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.
    Maybe racial profiling, to YOU, wouldn't be a life changing accusation.

    But think about how it is affecting George Zimmerman. Think about how it affects any police officer who the media claims is a racist with no basis. Think about how it affects a police officer when they have to be called in from their time with family to go through an investigative process into wild ass accusations of racial profiling just because some prejudiced black guy claims he was stopped cause he was black with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than the fact that his skin is black and the other guy's isn't.


    *I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.
    To be taken seriously. It does.

    When folks, black folks in particular, claim racial profiling when there was none over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again........ you start getting into the whole "Boy who Cried Wolf" syndrome. Eventually real profiling is going to be ignored. And that ain't cool.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I never made the claim that blacks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason. I never made the claim that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws. LOL. Asking people to prove claims they never made doesn't make any sense. Nice try, but no cigar.
    Racial profiling is stupid for a very simple reason....as an example

    If you are checking people based on certain features, the terrorists will recruit people who don't fit what you are looking for. As in, as soon as you start letting your guard down to a particular type of person, you're asking for it.

    In Israel, they do not profile for terrorists based on race, but rather behavior because it gets much better results.

    Again note..... criminal profiling

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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    ....And you draw the conclusion that best fits your prejudices.
    No I draw the conclusion that best fits the evidence and logic. Logic does not allow me to believe that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic laws than whites. It's those who persist in thinking that blacks do that are spinning the facts to fit their prejudice.

    "THey all say"

    Nice.
    Yes, the statistics all say the same thing. I gather you have nothing to disprove that.
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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by DeoVindice View Post
    Tell that to George Zimmerman
    It wasn't an accusation of racial profiling that completely uprooted George Zimmerman's life. It's the fact that he shot an unarmed kid.
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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So, your answer to my question was........?


    I'm sorry. I didn't see an answer....
    Not surprising given the location of your head.



    let me ask again....

    Do you have proof that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws?

    Do you have proof these black folks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason?
    What constitute "proof"? It seems you require mind-reading. I have evidence that blacks and Latino are treated worse than whites when they are stopped. I have evidence that whites are more likely to be found with contraband and yet being searched less often than blacks and Latino. Do you have evidence that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic law than whites? If you don't, what prompt you to think that blacks are more likely to break traffic laws? Because they are black?


    Also, how did you make an assumption as to my perception because I asked you to provide evidence of your claim????
    Because the leading questions speak for itself.


    I don't recall having stated anywhere I perceived that blacks are more likely to be lawbreakers....
    So if blacks are not more likely to break traffic laws, what account for such high rates of them being stopped compared to whites?


    I asked you if you can prove it to be false.
    Sure, and why don't prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. You made the proposition that it is due to other reason, the onus is on you to provide us with the evidence that your proposition is true, not me. I have provided the statistics and the logic to back my arguements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    No I draw the conclusion that best fits the evidence and logic. Logic does not allow me to believe that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic laws than whites. It's those who persist in thinking that blacks do that are spinning the facts to fit their prejudice.
    I don't believe either. My system of belief on this is quite complex, as I understand quite a bit of how the "politics of policing" work. I also understand how statistics cannot possibly gather enough information to accurately portray REASONS behind them.

    You still cannot draw this conclusion from statistics.




    Yes, the statistics all say the same thing. I gather you have nothing to disprove that.
    The statistics say what is happening.
    The statistics don't explain WHY it is happening, if there is a specific reason at all.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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