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    Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support
    By ELISABETH BUMILLER
    Published: April 5, 2012

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/us...&smid=fb-share

    "One of the two $700 million ships completed so far has had a major leak and crack in its hull, while the other is at sea, testing equipment that is failing to distinguish underwater mines from glints of light on the waves. More ominously, a report late last year by the Pentagon’s top weapons tester said the ship “is not expected to be survivable in a hostile combat environment.”

    Our President is insisting we build 55 of these even though they are not expected 'to be survivable' in a combat environment?
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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    And here I thought we were "cutting" the military. Aren't planes cheaper for the operations they quote it for?
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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    There were two prototypes built by two different firms to see which would be selected for mass production. They are a pretty good idea given current needs and far cheaper than the destroyer-class ships which essentially have the same function. The tweaking of all sorts of armaments in the developmental stages is part and parcel of the process.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    There were two prototypes built by two different firms to see which would be selected for mass production. They are a pretty good idea given current needs and far cheaper than the destroyer-class ships which essentially have the same function. The tweaking of all sorts of armaments in the developmental stages is part and parcel of the process.
    That makes more sense.
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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    There were two prototypes built by two different firms to see which would be selected for mass production. They are a pretty good idea given current needs and far cheaper than the destroyer-class ships which essentially have the same function. The tweaking of all sorts of armaments in the developmental stages is part and parcel of the process.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. A Burke can deliver ~100 long range missiles capable of attacking targets on land sea or air, backed by torpedos and 5 inch guns. The littoral combat ship has a 57mm cannon and tiny missiles than can't even reach 10 km. It is outgunned by anything larger than a speed boat, it would get slaughtered by missile boats 1/3 its displacement. The whole design is a good example of the sheer incompetence that permeates all too many military procurement projects nowadays. There a multiple foreign designs that are both more capable and cheaper which would have been better options.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Welcome to the military-industrial complex, OP! Now, don't go bashing the military, now. That means you hate America. You don't hate America, do you? Why would you want to make us less safe?

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. A Burke can deliver ~100 long range missiles capable of attacking targets on land sea or air, backed by torpedos and 5 inch guns. The littoral combat ship has a 57mm cannon and tiny missiles than can't even reach 10 km. It is outgunned by anything larger than a speed boat, it would get slaughtered by missile boats 1/3 its displacement. The whole design is a good example of the sheer incompetence that permeates all too many military procurement projects nowadays. There a multiple foreign designs that are both more capable and cheaper which would have been better options.
    Really? Did I say that the were the same? The littoral can do many of the functions now assigned to destroyers. Additionally, it is faster and far more maneuverable in close-quarter actions as might be had in the Straits of Hormuz and dealing with Somali pirate and the like. Destroyers in the USN are designed primarily as escorts of carrier-based fleets and are not that effective in those functions.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Welcome to the military-industrial complex, OP! Now, don't go bashing the military, now. That means you hate America. You don't hate America, do you? Why would you want to make us less safe?

    This is one of the more obvious things about forums like this and post like yours. It is like you realized you don't have a single relevant or intelligent thing to say about the subject, but you're gonna post anyway!

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Good Lord, a NYT Paul Krugman op-ed here?! What on earth does that shifty-eyed hack have to do with the topic?

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