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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Good Lord, a NYT Paul Krugman op-ed here?! What on earth does that shifty-eyed hack have to do with the topic?
    My thoughts exactly. I'm always amazed at this class of posters for whom posting a link to an op/ed or blog is supposed to pass as *their* opinion or point. No explanation, no pointing to anything in the link as relevant, just here is a link. Wade through it and guess which and what points I am pretending are mine.

    Except of course in cases like this, I never do and I doubt anyone else does either. Can't be bothered to engage on the topic or post your own thoughts on the subject? OK, but I can't be bothered to read your comment less link to someone else's thoughts that may or may not have anything to do with the topic and are not your own.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    This is one of the more obvious things about forums like this and post like yours. It is like you realized you don't have a single relevant or intelligent thing to say about the subject, but you're gonna post anyway!
    Should I copy/paste some past posts about the military appropriations process? I've got some good ones regarding Boeing and that ridiculous tanker contract.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Should I copy/paste some past posts about the military appropriations process? I've got some good ones regarding Boeing and that ridiculous tanker contract.
    Krugman's expertise again?

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Should I copy/paste some past posts about the military appropriations process? I've got some good ones regarding Boeing and that ridiculous tanker contract.
    In this thread? Why not, it would be about as intelligent or relevant as your last brain fart of a reply.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    In this thread? Why not, it would be about as intelligent or relevant as your last brain fart of a reply.
    I'm sorry my opinion on the military appropriations process was unclear to you. I'll spell it out:

    It's bad. Corrupt. We buy crap we don't need for more money than we should be spending on it.

    That help?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm sorry my opinion on the military appropriations process was unclear to you. I'll spell it out:

    It's bad. Corrupt. We buy crap we don't need for more money than we should be spending on it.

    That help?
    I'm sorry you thought you had actually expressed an opinion on the topic, of course you had not. So the source of the confusion here is you. Good for you that you finally got around to doing that.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Really? Did I say that the were the same? The littoral can do many of the functions now assigned to destroyers. Additionally, it is faster and far more maneuverable in close-quarter actions as might be had in the Straits of Hormuz and dealing with Somali pirate and the like. Destroyers in the USN are designed primarily as escorts of carrier-based fleets and are not that effective in those functions.
    The LCS will be replacing Perrys not Burkes. The straight of Hormuz is a perfect example of how stupid the LCS is. Iranian missile boats would simply slaughter them with C-802 missiles at 10x the range of LCS's weapons. Sure you can attack speedboats with it, but its ridiculous to have a 400 million dollar warship that can only hunt pirates. The speed requirement is pointless, as helicopters are obviously much faster than any boat and best suited for chasing fast targets.

    For comparison, a Meko corvette is around 300 million each (not including volume discount for large orders), has real firepower and no development risks.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The LCS will be replacing Perrys not Burkes. The straight of Hormuz is a perfect example of how stupid the LCS is. Iranian missile boats would simply slaughter them with C-802 missiles at 10x the range of LCS's weapons. Sure you can attack speedboats with it, but its ridiculous to have a 400 million dollar warship that can only hunt pirates. The speed requirement is pointless, as helicopters are obviously much faster than any boat and best suited for chasing fast targets.

    For comparison, a Meko corvette is around 300 million each (not including volume discount for large orders), has real firepower and no development risks.
    Don't look at me, you were the one who chose to compare the Burke class. The Perry class were very expensive to operate and not sufficient for the tactical operations needed today.

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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The LCS will be replacing Perrys not Burkes. The straight of Hormuz is a perfect example of how stupid the LCS is. Iranian missile boats would simply slaughter them with C-802 missiles at 10x the range of LCS's weapons. Sure you can attack speedboats with it, but its ridiculous to have a 400 million dollar warship that can only hunt pirates. The speed requirement is pointless, as helicopters are obviously much faster than any boat and best suited for chasing fast targets.

    For comparison, a Meko corvette is around 300 million each (not including volume discount for large orders), has real firepower and no development risks.
    You realize that Iran only bought about 60 C-802s? How many they might have left is unkown, but well under 60. Iran just does not have the maintenance capability to keep a system like that in operation.

    For what they are, the Littoral should be a good ship. Comparing them to ships designed for other roles will lead false comparisons.
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    Re: Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support

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    Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support
    By ELISABETH BUMILLER
    Published: April 5, 2012

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/us...&smid=fb-share




    Our President is insisting we build 55 of these even though they are not expected 'to be survivable' in a combat environment?
    It's not just the President. It's also the Pentagon (which is a beast in and of itself,) Speaker Boehner, and other congressmen and senators who are getting campaign contributions from the defense companies who are getting the government contracts to build them.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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