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White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

tessaesque said:
From the article:


Okay, can somebody explain this to me?? We're giving them money to buy stuff from us. Wouldn't that be like Snapple giving me $5 to go buy a Snapple? Wouldn't it just be easy for Snapple to hand me a drink off the assembly line instead of handing me the money, which I then hand back to another party in exchange for the item I'm being mandated to buy? Would it not be more efficient for the government to pay their defense contractor directly and have the items themselves sent over to Egypt, if we're going to be mandating the specific items they're allowed to purchase with the money?
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Because your Snapple method doesn't allow corrupt people in the Brotherhood to line their pockets.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

Ockham said:
We could have, imo, cut out the middle man and just sent 750 mil to Hamas instead. Egypt has what we think is a democracy... or what may look like a democracy. The MB has known ties to terrorist organizations and if the MB is elected as the legitimate organization running said democracy, I don't see why we are sending over borrowed billions... what are we getting for our money? I have no issue with them speaking to mid-level officials at the WH... the money? No way... not now anyway.
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It's not if the MB is elected, the MB Qutbists and the Salafists have already been elected putting them in the overwhelming majority within the Egyptian government, this would be like Jimmy Carter not only losing Iran but funding the Ayatollah to boot. :roll:
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

tessaesque said:
From the article:


Okay, can somebody explain this to me?? We're giving them money to buy stuff from us. Wouldn't that be like Snapple giving me $5 to go buy a Snapple? Wouldn't it just be easy for Snapple to hand me a drink off the assembly line instead of handing me the money, which I then hand back to another party in exchange for the item I'm being mandated to buy? Would it not be more efficient for the government to pay their defense contractor directly and have the items themselves sent over to Egypt, if we're going to be mandating the specific items they're allowed to purchase with the money?
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I'm guessing it's because we leave it to their defense planners to determine what purchases to make and perhaps they likewise don't spend all of the Military Aid funds that same year.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

Stormageddon said:
Excuse me but I'm not your son, that's number one, and number two he invited the MB to his Cairo speech, his administration just got out of a meeting with the MB right before they just gave the MB $1.5 Billion dollars, that's billion with a B, of U.S. taxpayer dollars. Now if that is not overt support for a declared enemy of the United States then I don't know what is.
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I hope you got a source for all of this? Or are you making it up like you did the original thread title?
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

jamesrage said:
I agree,we should cut subsidies all foreign aid,grants and many other things.
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It's a good thing we don't live in a vacuum otherwise this might be logical.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

Stormageddon said:
I'm guessing it's because we leave it to their defense planners to determine what purchases to make and perhaps they likewise don't spend all of the Military Aid funds that same year.
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Seems to me like a running balance might be better than sending them cash. That way, if they DON'T use all 1.5 billion we don't have it held up over there and we can (possibly) delay a little borrowing because that money is still here where it can be used for the U.S. economy.

"You have 1.5 billion in credit to be used towards the purchase of the items on the included list. Please allow 2-3 months for delivery."

:shrug:
 
Stormageddon said:
KUNA : White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures - Politics - 05/04/2012

I have given the POTUS the benefit of the doubt for the majority of his term in office, but if there is one thing I can not support it is the funding of theocratic groups who support barbarism and oppression straight out of the 7th century which is exactly what the POTUS has done by releasing this $1.5 Billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars to the Qutbist/Salafist ruled Egyptian government.
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I can not support it either.

Any overtures made to the Brotherhood will in reality be one sided and playing into their hands. If they ever gain control of Egypt the firsts steps they would undertake is to introduce radical measures and denounce any friendship with the West.

Despite all the sweet talk the Brotherhood fundamentalists are quite happy to deceive Obama in its quest for perfect democracy in Egypt, even if that democracy means the empowerment of political enemies of the West.

Obama should not upset the current balance where the secular military still retains final power and control.
 
I have always appreciated Obama's line of thinking when it came to his foreign policy approach. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney says a meeting with the Muslim brotherhood as they "will be a major player, and we are engaging because that is the appropriate and right thing to do. And we will judge all of the political actors in Egypt by their actions, by their commitment to democracy and democratic processes and protection of civil rights." That is just sound thinking.

Now to give the money I have not seen any justification for an entire lump sum, to be handed over.

Has this information been cross referenced because I have tried but cannot find other reliable sources.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

Hatuey said:
I hope you got a source for all of this? Or are you making it up like you did the original thread title?
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My 2nd statement comes from the OP, as to my fist statement:

Brotherhood" Invited To Obama Speech By U.S.
By Marc Ambinder

"Brotherhood" Invited To Obama Speech By U.S. - Marc Ambinder - Politics - The Atlantic

As to the original title of the OP it is purely a statement of fact given landslide victories of the Qutbists and the Salafists in the Egyptian elections.
 
Mya said:
I can not support it either.

Any overtures made to the Brotherhood will in reality be one sided and playing into their hands. If they ever gain control of Egypt the firsts steps they would undertake is to introduce radical measures and denounce any friendship with the West.
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They've already gained power and they control the Constitutional assembly, it's all over except the crying.
 
Stormageddon said:
They've already gained power and they control the Constitutional assembly, it's all over except the crying.
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Have you cross referenced your information concerning the 1.5 billion dollars?
 
Stormageddon said:
They've already gained power and they control the Constitutional assembly, it's all over except the crying.
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The military will hand over power in a theoretical sense in June, but behind the scenes will maneouvre, to protect its final authority and financial holdings. The Egyptian military will keep a close watch on the Brotherhood who were their enemies in the past and the Brotherhood knows this.


Obama should not interfere!


to put it in other way

muslim-brotherhood1.jpg
 
Mya said:
The military will hand over power in a theoretical sense in June, but behind the scenes will maneouvre, to protect its final authority and financial holdings. The Egyptian military will keep a close watch on the Brotherhood who were their enemies in the past and the Brotherhood knows this.


Obama should not interfere!


to put it in other way
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Interfere no. Be close the situation and conduct his due diligence yes. In fact he has a responsibility to do so." Obama administration officials told the New York Times they are optimistic about the nomination because the Muslim Brotherhood candidate could siphon off votes from another hard-line Islamist candidate who is the current frontrunner in the race."

Every time a topic like this comes up the sky is falling and Obama is a fool. Please let's discuss this in an intelligent level.
 
Connery said:
Interfere no. Be close the situation and conduct his due diligence yes. In fact he has a responsibility to do so." Obama administration officials told the New York Times they are optimistic about the nomination because the Muslim Brotherhood candidate could siphon off votes from another hard-line Islamist candidate who is the current frontrunner in the race."
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The Muslim Brotherhood is a hardline Islamist organization, their motto:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."

 
Stormageddon said:
The Muslim Brotherhood is a hardline Islamist organization, their motto:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."
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Is your suggestion that we ignore them and hope the "military" retains power or that the US act proactively and find out more.
 
Wasn't the package released after the MB liberalized their position on Israel?

It also seems like none of the people against the MB knows anything about their history. The are one of the more tolerable Islamic groups that exist with any political power.
 
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Mya said:
The military will hand over power in a theoretical sense in June, but behind the scenes will maneouvre, to protect its final authority and financial holdings. The Egyptian military will keep a close watch on the Brotherhood who were their enemies in the past and the Brotherhood knows this.


Obama should not interfere!


to put it in other way

muslim-brotherhood1.jpg
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MB has no love for Al queda
 
I may not like this, but, the US was contractually obligated and would have had to pay out 2billion in penalties if we did not give the cash.


Obama's administration has given the following reasoning:
The Obama administration’s decision to begin releasing $1.3 billion in annual military aid for Egypt will avert a disruption in arms sales that might have cost thousands of U.S. jobs and as much as $2 billion in contracting penalties for the U.S. government.

The administration considered the potential loss of U.S. jobs in Ohio, Texas and elsewhere generated by Egyptian military contracts with companies such as General Dynamics Corp. (GD), which sells M1A1 tanks, and Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), which sells F-16 jets, according to State Department officials who briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity. In addition, under the contracting terms, the U.S. government might have been liable for as much as $2 billion if the Egyptian aid money were withheld, according to one of the officials.
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Jobs at Home Drive Obama Administration
 
Connery said:
Is your suggestion that we ignore them and hope the "military" retains power or that the US act proactively and find out more.
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Yes I would rather have a secular military regime in power than a populist theocracy which is virulently anti-western, highly oppressive, and overtly imperialistic.
 
Connery said:
I may not like this, but, the US was contractually obligated and would have had to pay out 2billion in penalties if we did not give the cash.


Obama's administration has given the following reasoning:


Jobs at Home Drive Obama Administration
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lol the release of these funds came the day of the meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Administration and we're really expected to believe this utter nonsense? Yes now it's against the law to fund America's enemies abroad. Tell us another one. :roll:
 
xpiher said:
Wasn't the package released after the MB liberalized their position on Israel?
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Their position on the Israeli peace treaty is clear they said they will not honor it.

It also seems like none of the people against the MB knows anything about their history. The are one of the more tolerable Islamic groups that exist with any political power.
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The motto of the MB:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."



The MB is an overtly radical, anti-western, and imperialistic organization.
 
Stormageddon said:
lol the release of these funds came the day of the meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Administration and we're really expected to believe this utter nonsense? Yes now it's against the law to fund America's enemies abroad. Tell us another one. :roll:
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I am looking for more answers here myself.

You have a better, more viable reason, son? Submit it with references.
 
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