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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am looking for more answers here myself.

    You have a better, more viable reason, son? Submit it with references.
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    Obama, much like Carter aligns himself with the arab muslim, anti colonial, anti Jew, socialist mind set.

    It couldn't be more clear.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Its no wonder that foreign policy is going down the tubes, nobody is really capable of thinking beyond the domestic realm. Its all about using whatever situation exists to attack/support Obama depending on which side you are on.

    Lets look a little reality: despite the revolution, Egypt is still run by the military. Receiving aid money bolsters their local authority and buys us their goodwill. Not sending aid would actually be the Islamists benefit. Basically we are spending 1.5 billion in return for a decent shot of Egypt remaining somewhat friendly. As an added bonus the money is sent back to the U.S. so local industry gets a boost as well.

    Now you can complain the whole process is hideously corrupt (and you would be correct), but that is the standard U.S. policy for dealing with this sort of situation. There are plenty of valid criticisms about the whole process, but whining about we are supporting the Muslim brotherhood when we are doing just the opposite is simply wrong.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    oooh, ooooh, I do!...pick me, pick me....

    Obama, much like Carter aligns himself with the arab muslim, anti colonial, anti Jew, socialist mind set.

    It couldn't be more clear.

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    Oh sorry he said viable reason with references, not rehashed political propaganda that has no basis in reality.
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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am looking for more answers here myself.

    You have a better, more viable reason, son? Submit it with references.
    One, again I am not your son, two the assertion that this comes right after a meeting with the MB and the administration is just a coincidence is laughable, the answer to me is quite clear considering Obama's previous overtures to the MB which is that he is a naive westerner who is believing the BS the MB is spouting to their western audiences. Show me the contractual obligations the U.S. government has with U.S. firms which necessitates that they give $1.5 Billion to ANY country let alone Egypt until then anonymous sources aren't going to cut it for me.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its no wonder that foreign policy is going down the tubes, nobody is really capable of thinking beyond the domestic realm. Its all about using whatever situation exists to attack/support Obama depending on which side you are on.

    Lets look a little reality: despite the revolution, Egypt is still run by the military. Receiving aid money bolsters their local authority and buys us their goodwill. Not sending aid would actually be the Islamists benefit.
    lol, the military only retains authority until the Constitutional assembly which is dominated by the MB and the Salafists finishes the Constitution after which time you will have a Sharia based theocratic Constitution and Islamist political parties controlling all levels of government after which the military will be in THEIR hands.

    Basically we are spending 1.5 billion in return for a decent shot of Egypt remaining somewhat friendly.
    Oh gee let's give the Islamists $1.5 Billion worth of some of the most advanced weaponry in the world so they "might like us a little" ya that's sound foreign policy all right.

    As an added bonus the money is sent back to the U.S. so local industry gets a boost as well.
    Hooray our local industry will be fueling the Islamic Imperialist war machine.


    Now you can complain the whole process is hideously corrupt (and you would be correct), but that is the standard U.S. policy for dealing with this sort of situation. There are plenty of valid criticisms about the whole process, but whining about we are supporting the Muslim brotherhood when we are doing just the opposite is simply wrong.
    The Muslim Brotherhood is now in control of the government of Egypt and holds a majority on the Constitutional assembly, so your assertion that we are doing the opposite is completely false because that is exactly what we are doing as the military only retains civil authority until the Constitution is finished.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    The constitution can say whatever it wants, the generals retain the actual power. The military is making concessions to popular demands for democracy, but that is merely for appearances sake. Giving the aid will strengthen the military's position and improve their chances of maintaining control. It does entail risks that weapons might end up in the wrong hands, but welcome to international relations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Their position on the Israeli peace treaty is clear they said they will not honor it.



    The motto of the MB:

    "God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."



    The MB is an overtly radical, anti-western, and imperialistic organization.

    And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.
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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.
    The Suez canal is too important to ignore the situation entirely. We have to deal with whoever rules Egypt, the aid money simply influences the outcome slightly.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The constitution can say whatever it wants, the generals retain the actual power. The military is making concessions to popular demands for democracy, but that is merely for appearances sake.
    Um no the military is able to have the power which they currently wield due to the current wording of their Constitution once the Constitution is changed they will have to work within that legal framework as well once the Constitution is ratified the military will no longer control Egypt but rather will become a tool within the MB and Salafist government.

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    Re: White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.
    Liberal compared to what? Do they only want to kill half of the gays, apostates, and adulterers? Do they only want to conquer half of the world through offensive Jihad? Do they only want half of the Koran to be the new Egyptian Constitution? Just what in the hell by any reasonable definition of the word makes them liberal?

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