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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's next? If you can't afford to pay your taxes, you shouldn't be able to afford a place to live? You shouldn't be able to cross statelines? Own a vehicle? Have kids?

    This is how tyrrany begins.

    I'm usually not a fan of slippery slope arguments. If your best tactic is, "this, by itself, isn't that bad, but what if some other bad thing happens?" you don't have a very good argument.

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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't have to be rich to be 50 grand in the hole with the IRS....it's not uncommon for a self employed person to be in arrears during the first few years of business.
    .. i've heard many of my compadres tell tales of owing alot more than that.. and they aren't even close to "rich".

    passports are also used to travel for business.... and travel for business is more common than vacation travel.

    this law is ignorant, unjust,too broad, and will ensnare many people who are innocent of any crimes.
    it is not a crime to owe taxes.... it is only a crime to evade taxes.


    other than that, the only silly things you said in your post was about selling kids and forced sterilization.... the rest are punishments that are applied in many jurisdictions for various crimes.
    This is the post I was responding to, with the ridicule it deserved:

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's next? If you can't afford to pay your taxes, you shouldn't be able to afford a place to live? You shouldn't be able to cross statelines? Own a vehicle? Have kids?

    This is how tyrrany begins.

    Congratulations. You have defended apdst's post and called my post silly. It's a two-fer, my friend.

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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    mumble mumble mumble... goddamit




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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Pre sa is different? Is that like kind of being pregnant? Buffett is fighting about owing these taxes. You either owe them or you don't.

    Did you put any effort at all into learning anything about what a deferred tax asset is?


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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I didn't know you had the right to not pay taxes. Wait... Yeh don't.
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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Honestly, who is this really going to effect? Do you think Warren Buffett is not going be allowed to travel outside the country because of his delinquent taxes? He is the owner of many companies that are delinquent. When do they go after the owners of these companies that aren't paying their taxes?

    There are two sides of the coin for those who aren't paying taxes.

    1) They have the money, and the refuse to pay because they are a Buffett type.
    2) They don't have the money to pay their taxes, so now they are going to travel abroad? I doubt it.
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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Hey: I have ot pay my taxes - and I don't get a magic plane in the sky to whisk me away from my responsibilities as a citizen so neither should they.
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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Of course we all know Buffet's CORPORATIONS are considered separate 'people' and thus Warren himself isn't the one on the hook for the tax money. To be a little clearer about Hathaway-Berkshire's tax issues the corporation PAID it's taxes but the IRS decided the bill should be higher.

    Now this slippery slope argument, you can apply the same lament to getting speeding tickets as what next?, the death penalty for doing 10 over the limit?

    Part of this 'responsibility' mantra is a need for constant vigilance, not hit it once and be done forever with it. Libertarians should know this.

    $50,000 in UNPAID taxes is a rather high number for most of us. Most unpaid taxes are due to a miscalculation or taking a deduction the IRS rules isn't proper. That means for most of us have paid the bulk of out tax debt, just not ALL of it. I can see where a few try to be way too cute with their tax math and deductions and wind up in deep tax debt.

    But the fix is easy, the IRS isn't vicious, they set up payment plans for most all who thought they could get away with calling the summer home a branch office...

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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    I'm curious as to the actual goal of this bill....


    What does traveling abroad have to do with paying taxes, in the first place? Someone else said this already, and I'll repeat it....you're either unable to pay those taxes, which is why you haven't paid them, which typically means traveling is out of the question for you....or you CAN pay them, but CHOOSE not to.

    Of those, this bill seems like it wants to go after the latter....but the problem is, the folks that CHOOSE not to pay up, or also the ones with the most tools to get AWAY with not paying up. With the exception of, say, Wesley Snipes...

    As mentioned before, since corporations are people....folks like Buffet don't have that tax liability....their corporation does. And I have yet to see a corporation at the ticket check line, or having their luggage checked, etc etc etc. Because F'ing corporations are not people, and don't travel.


    Far more effective, I think, would be to say that business licenses should be suspending pending delinquent tax bills. Probably be much cheaper to enforce, too.
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    Re: Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm curious as to the actual goal of this bill....


    What does traveling abroad have to do with paying taxes, in the first place? Someone else said this already, and I'll repeat it....you're either unable to pay those taxes, which is why you haven't paid them, which typically means traveling is out of the question for you....or you CAN pay them, but CHOOSE not to.

    Of those, this bill seems like it wants to go after the latter....but the problem is, the folks that CHOOSE not to pay up, or also the ones with the most tools to get AWAY with not paying up. With the exception of, say, Wesley Snipes...

    As mentioned before, since corporations are people....folks like Buffet don't have that tax liability....their corporation does. And I have yet to see a corporation at the ticket check line, or having their luggage checked, etc etc etc. Because F'ing corporations are not people, and don't travel.


    Far more effective, I think, would be to say that business licenses should be suspending pending delinquent tax bills. Probably be much cheaper to enforce, too.
    I agree - but I think this is directly aimed at individuals, not corporations: they already have a series of things to respond to when/if they fail to fork it over as opposed to individuals who - well - face nothing except for paying interest.
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