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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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Exactly right. I said that Grant could not back up his claim because it's simply false.

Those quotes you mention all say what a wonderful speaker he was , what a gifted and inspirational orator, how he inspired people, etc. and thats what was said about him repeatedly during his election campaign.

But that is his main strength and, so far, his only apparent strength. And even these speeches have now become very tired. Does anyone really listen to him seriously anymore? Or believe him?

No one lauds his writings, his legal insights, his realistic or practical visions. None of that. It is just bafflegab dressed up as oratory, and we can see that now.

There is no substance to the man. He will say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.
 
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Here's reference to a letter with a quote attached.

Obama and Harvard: Is Donald Trump right?

WorldNetDaily? :2rofll:

And it contains no facts that suggest that Obama was elected as president of the HLR because of his race.

Here is a letter with the original statements regarding affirmative action relating to BHO.

Obama’s 1990 note to the Harvard Law Record ” as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career” « thesophic

Vetting was obviously not done on this guy.

:lol: Did you even read your own link?

all students who wish to become editors of the Law Review participate in a writing competition at the end of their first year. The entire writing competition is conducted on a double-blind basis, to ensure absolute anonymity. Each submission is graded by at least three different Review editors to help decrease the effects that any particular editor’s subjective opinions may have on the final scores.

In other words, he could not have been selected for Law Review based on his race, because the people grading the submissions have no idea what the race is of the applicants. Epic fail.
 
obama should at least wait until there is a ruling before taking this sort if rhetoric to the bully pulpit.

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obama should at least wait until there is a ruling before taking this sort if rhetoric to the bully pulpit.

I agree. If his statement has any effect, which it probably won't, it would probably be to irritate the conservative justices and incline them more to vote against him.
 
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Pretty interesting mini-documentary on Obama's Harvard Law days:



The striking thing to me is how little he's changed.
 
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Well, that's not exactly magna from Harvard Law, is it?

Me -- BA, Vanderbilt University, Tulane Law School, J.D., cum laude. Don't recall the exact GPA but around 3.5, top 15%.




Well if you are as educated as you claim, You wouldn't put such blind faith in the certificates eh?



So tell me, when this gets struck down, is that a mark on Obama's understanding of the Constitution or SCOTUS's?
 
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Well if you are as educated as you claim, You wouldn't put such blind faith in the certificates eh?



So tell me, when this gets struck down, is that a mark on Obama's understanding of the Constitution or SCOTUS's?

IF it gets struck down I would say that it would be the mark of an irresponsible Supreme Court.

Further explication by President Obama:

We have not seen a court overturn a law that was passed by Congress on an economic issue like health care, that I think most people would clearly consider commerce. A law like that has not been overturned, at least since Lochner. Right? So we’re going to back to the ‘30s, pre-New Deal. And the point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. But it’s precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly-elected legislature, our Congress. And so the burden is on those who would overturn a law like this.

Now, as I said, I expect -- I expect the Supreme Court actually to -- to recognize that and to abide by well-established precedents out there. I have enormous confidence that, in looking at this law, not only is it constitutional, but that the court is going to exercise its jurisprudence carefully because of the profound power that our Supreme Court has.

As a consequence, we’re not spending a whole bunch of time planning for contingencies. What I did emphasize yesterday is, there is a human element to this that everybody has to remember. This is not an abstract exercise.

Full Transcript: Barack Obama speech before newspaper editors - The Washington Post
 
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WorldNetDaily? :2rofll:

And it contains no facts that suggest that Obama was elected as president of the HLR because of his race.

:lol: Did you even read your own link?

In other words, he could not have been selected for Law Review based on his race, because the people grading the submissions have no idea what the race is of the applicants. Epic fail.

It's you who have apparently nit been reading the links because they all pointed to race as a factor.

And unless you provide which sources are not acceptable to you I'll just keep submitting those which relate to the facts. I sent that one because it referred to this sentence.

I must say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career, and as someone who may have benefited from the Law Review’s affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year, I have not personally felt stigmatized either within the broader law school community or as a staff member of the Review. Indeed, my election last year as President of the Review would seem to indicate that at least among Review staff, and hopefully for the majority of professors at Harvard, affirmative action in no way tarnishes the accomplishments of those who are members of historically underrepresented groups.

Are you claiming that the author of that sentence is a liar?

In fact this is one of those times he's telling telling the truth.
 
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IF it gets struck down I would say that it would be the mark of an irresponsible Supreme Court.

Further explication by President Obama:

Here's response to the dimwittedness of that speech, where the facts of the matter were laid out quite clearly.

Do NOT refer to BHO when it comes to points of law, or the Constitution.

The Man Who Knew Too Little - WSJ.com
 
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IF it gets struck down I would say that it would be the mark of an irresponsible Supreme Court.


So you believe that the FEDGOV has the right to force you to pay for health insurance or pay a fine? :lol:

Further explication by President Obama:




" And the point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. "


and we call that backtracking. He was NOT making that point....



Face it, this law oversteps the constitutional authority of the federal government. Obama knows this, which is why he is posturing the way he is. You put a blind faith in the man's education, as if educated people can never be wrong.....
 
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It's you who have apparently nit been reading the links because they all pointed to race as a factor.

And unless you provide which sources are not acceptable to you I'll just keep submitting those which relate to the facts. I sent that one because it referred to this sentence.



Are you claiming that the author of that sentence is a liar?

In fact this is one of those times he's telling telling the truth.

I've never denied that affirmative action may have played a role in his admission to Columbia and Harvard. But it had nothing to do with his success AT Harvard.
 
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So you believe that the FEDGOV has the right to force you to pay for health insurance or pay a fine? :lol:






" And the point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. "


and we call that backtracking. He was NOT making that point....



Face it, this law oversteps the constitutional authority of the federal government. Obama knows this, which is why he is posturing the way he is. You put a blind faith in the man's education, as if educated people can never be wrong.....

Obama is correct, as most constitutional law experts have confirmed. But there is obviously no guarantee that this SC will follow precedent.
 
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I've never denied that affirmative action may have played a role in his admission to Columbia and Harvard. But it had nothing to do with his success AT Harvard.



You do realize, harvard is pretty much a scam, once you are in, it's not a hard school, right?


The Truth About Harvard - Magazine - The Atlantic
 
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I've never denied that affirmative action may have played a role in his admission to Columbia and Harvard. But it had nothing to do with his success AT Harvard.

So Barack Obama was lying when he wrote that letter and the NY Times was lying as well?
 
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Obama is correct, as most constitutional law experts have confirmed. But there is obviously no guarantee that this SC will follow precedent.



So SCOTUS aren't "constitutional experts"? and please, by all means, please back up with links and arguments backing up your "most" claim. Furthermore, which specific precedents are you refering to? This argument lacks much substance.
 
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You do realize, harvard is pretty much a scam, once you are in, it's not a hard school, right?


The Truth About Harvard - Magazine - The Atlantic

The undergrad experience has very little to do with the Law School experience, which is anything but easy. And what most people don't understand is that being president of the law review is like having a full time job on top of regular law studies.
 
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Care to explain how commentary 10 years after the decision is the same as Obama "warning" the SCOTUS while they are deliberating a decision in a current case?

Care to explain where the "warning" was?
 
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IF it gets struck down I would say that it would be the mark of an irresponsible Supreme Court.

Further explication by President Obama:

The law is about regulating commerce, it's about creating it. That's the core problem with it.
 
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The undergrad experience has very little to do with the Law School experience, which is anything but easy. And what most people don't understand is that being president of the law review is like having a full time job on top of regular law studies.


One would think with all that wonderous education you seem star struck over, that he would have realized this law would meet constitutional challenges.... anyway, not impressed, I worked harder for my education. :shrug:
 
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Care to explain where the "warning" was?

You're right, he only told them if they overturn the law it would amount to judicial activism.
 
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The undergrad experience has very little to do with the Law School experience, which is anything but easy. And what most people don't understand is that being president of the law review is like having a full time job on top of regular law studies.

Then perhaps he should have found work as an editor somewhere rather than fancying himself to be an expert on law and legal precedent.
 
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The undergrad experience has very little to do with the Law School experience, which is anything but easy. And what most people don't understand is that being president of the law review is like having a full time job on top of regular law studies.

No, what this tells us is that political ideology trumps legal scholarship, because there is no doubt he knows the Constitution. He just doesn't like it, and seeks ways to manipulate Constitutional provisions, such as the Commerce Clause, to circumvent original intent. He swore an oath to PRESERVE, protect and defend the Constitution, and he's failing in his primary duty.


Why? Because the Constitution is unfair, rugged individulalism never worked, and the Constitution was written by rich, white, slave owners.
 
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One would think with all that wonderous education you seem star struck over, that he would have realized this law would meet constitutional challenges.... anyway, not impressed, I worked harder for my education. :shrug:

I don't know that I totally agree with this line of reasoning, because I think he knows all this very well. He doesn't agree with it, and is purposefully trying to circumvent the Constitution.
 
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