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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

Wow. Just... wow!

Hard to believe his claims that he went to a prestigious university and was allegedly taught something about constitutional law. Perhaps he should surrender his diploma for inspection, along with his birth certificate, his hospital records and his passport.
 
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Using Obama's logic, then why does he have a problem with the States illegal immigration laws. They were passed by elected officals and have public support. Oh, its because he doesn't like them. He likes the Health Care bill.
 
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Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.
 
Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.

The hypocrisy of one side or the other is not at issue.

What's at issue is that our president thinks the Court should side with popularity, not the rule of law.
 
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What's at issue is that our president thinks the Court should side with popularity, not the rule of law.

When it suits him.

Of course, in this case, by his argument, then the Court really SHOULD strike down the mandate.
 
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The hypocrisy of one side or the other is not at issue.

What's at issue is that our president thinks the Court should side with popularity, not the rule of law.

And the GOP thinks the rule of law shouldn't apply to something they don't like... opposite sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy of both sides IS the issue.
 
And the GOP thinks the rule of law shouldn't apply to something they don't like... opposite sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy of both sides IS the issue.

It's a Constitutional issue. Case law and the Constitution are not one and the same.
 
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And the GOP thinks the rule of law shouldn't apply to something they don't like... opposite sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy of both sides IS the issue.

No, it's apparently your issue, and it's only half true -- you're not going after the Democrats here, only the GOP.

Hypocrisy of 'ponents both pro and op has nothing do with constitutionality.
 
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No, it's apparently your issue, and it's only half true -- you're not going after the Democrats here, only the GOP.

Hypocrisy of 'ponents both pro and op has nothing do with constitutionality.

No I'm saying BOTH sides are wrong. The Supreme court will determine constitutionality, that is it's role. In both cases.
 
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And the GOP thinks the rule of law shouldn't apply to something they don't like... opposite sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy of both sides IS the issue.

Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't recall any President in my lifetime dressing down SCOTUS in a SOTU address. Obama said that it was "unpresedented" for SCOTUS to strike down a Congressionally passed law. As if they only strike down state laws. SCOTUS has struck down over 150 Congressionally passed laws in its history. And thousands of state laws, btw.

We got a new coin with this one. And he's full of ****.
 
And the GOP thinks the rule of law shouldn't apply to something they don't like... opposite sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy of both sides IS the issue.

The GOP thinks the rule of law should be changed on that issue to regard ZEFs as citizens. Personally I disagree with them.

But that's not what we're talking about. SCOTUS isn't hearing Roe v. Wade right now, so let's stick to the issue. This isn't about abortion or hypocrisy. It's about how the president thinks SCOTUS should arrive at its judgments.

In this case he's wagging his arrogant finger at the court and warning them NOT to check and balance the other branches of government. He should crash and burn for this.
 
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Forcing me to buy something is unconstitutional. period.....


I wonder, given Obama's thinking, how he feels about the prop 187 decision. :lol:
 
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No I'm saying BOTH sides are wrong. The Supreme court will determine constitutionality, that is it's role. In both cases.

But it still has nothing to do with constitutionality, so no, it's NOT "the issue."
 
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The GOP thinks the rule of law should be changed on that issue to regard ZEFs as citizens. Personally I disagree with them.

But that's not what we're talking about. SCOTUS isn't hearing Roe v. Wade right now, so let's stick to the issue. This isn't about abortion or hypocrisy. It's about how the president thinks SCOTUS should arrive at its judgments.

In this case he's wagging his arrogant finger at the court and warning them NOT to check and balance the other branches of government. He should crash and burn for this.


1973 Pres Regan calling for overturn of Roe v Wade A president admonishing the Supreme Court about a decision isn't new.
 
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Reagan was commenting 10 years after. Decision long ago made. Obama is commenting while the Justices debate. While they decide. That's bull****.

And your comparison fails, btw.

And Obama did so -- attempting to influence the outcome -- by making untrue statements. Reagan said nothing untrue in that blurb.
 
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It only fails from a one side view. On the outside looking at both it really is the same. Watching the Dems and GOP anymore is like watching 3 year olds in the back seat of the car.... "He's touching me!!!!" "No I'm not"
 
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It only fails from a one side view. On the outside looking at both it really is the same. Watching the Dems and GOP anymore is like watching 3 year olds in the back seat of the car.... "He's touching me!!!!" "No I'm not"

No, it fails because they're not like situations.
 
1973 Pres Regan calling for overturn of Roe v Wade A president admonishing the Supreme Court about a decision isn't new.

No one's saying it's new that a POTUS would disagree with the SCOTUS. What matters is on what grounds. Obama's argument is that it should pass because Congress passed it. I can't watch your video right now, so, what was Reagan's rationale? If it was anywhere near as ignorant of the Constition as Obama's being, I'll condemn him too.

Except that he's dead, RvW was 39 years ago and not the topic of this thread, whereas PPACA and Obama are current, and they are the topic of the thread.
 
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And Obama did so -- attempting to influence the outcome -- by making untrue statements. Reagan said nothing untrue in that blurb.

How was he attempting to influence the outcome? Do Supreme Court justices no longer have lifetime appointments?
 
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No one's saying it's new that a POTUS would disagree with the SCOTUS. What matters is on what grounds. Obama's argument is that it should pass because Congress passed it. I can't watch your video right now, so, what was Reagan's rationale? If it was anywhere bear as ignorant of the Constition as Obama's being, I'll condemn him too.

Reagan did not actually call for the overturn of Roe v. Wade in that blurb. What he called for was working to find a way to protect unborn life.
 
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How was he attempting to influence the outcome? Do Supreme Court justices no longer have lifetime appointments?

Oh, please.
 
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No one's saying it's new that a POTUS would disagree with the SCOTUS. What matters is on what grounds. Obama's argument is that it should pass because Congress passed it. I can't watch your video right now, so, what was Reagan's rationale? If it was anywhere near as ignorant of the Constition as Obama's being, I'll condemn him too.

Except that he's dead, RvW was 39 years ago and not the topic of this thread, whereas PPACA and Obama are current, and they are the topic of the thread.

Obama was obviously just making a short comment. If you want to know what the Obama administration's actual argument is, read the government's brief and listen to the oral arguments.
 
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Oh, please.

Yes, please explain how the President can influence the Supreme Court, who's members are appointed for life. :popcorn2:
 
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