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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or maybe the more reasonable explanation is true: he was measuring "unprecedented" in a manner that you haven't considered.
    That might well be.

    What do you believe he meant by "unprecedented"?

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh ok.... I misunderstood.

    My speculation? Obama was posturing.....
    This would be more likely than trying to influence or intimidate the court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.


    Then again, he makes a stupid statment that scotus should defer to populism and congress, I'm bot so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This would be more likely than trying to influence or intimidate the court.
    I personally never bought that argument either..,
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.
    Its not about what he knows. Its about what he believes, and what he does based on those beliefs. He may "know" the Constitution, although he certainly does not agree with it. Frankly, he has shown that he is rather ignorant to American history and the Founders.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.
    No, actually, that would be a false appeal to authority.

    I would be perfectly happy to debate him on Constitutional issues any day of the week, any time at all, and confident to do so.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Then again, he makes a stupid statment that scotus should defer to populism and congress, I'm bot so sure.
    He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, actually, that would be a false appeal to authority.

    I would be perfectly happy to debate him on Constitutional issues any day of the week, any time at all, and confident to do so.
    Actually it's not an appeal to authority at all. Even so, I would pay good money to see that debate.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.
    I never saw the SCOTUS's job as giving deference to Congress... the direct opposite. The SCOTUS should keep Congress in check as it applies to the Constitution.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.
    Which would be the 26 States etc. that filed the lawsuit, and then argued it all the way to SCOTUS. However, once at SCOTUS, the burden is wherever the Judge asking the question wants it to be.

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