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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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One thing we clearly saw was that Non Lawyer and supposed "moron" had a solicitor General Paul Clement who was sure better and more skilled than HLR president Obama's Solicitor General
 
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Harshaw said:
Even if you accept that this is what Obama meant, it certainly doesn't imply he had "existing commerce clause case law" in mind, at all. This is your own flimsy spin, supported by nothing.
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As opposed to what? Imaginary commerce clause case law? :lol:
 
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AdamT said:
Really? Did he graduate magna cum laude -- while working 50+ hours a week on the Law Review, because he's black?
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Show us his grades and some writings as President of Harvard Law Review.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
LOL ... Good one.

They are down some rabbit hole somewhere :)
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You cannot find Obama's Occidental or Columbia grades and other records with a search warrant. I suspect they are a more closely guarded secret than the identity of New York Mob Rat Henry Hill
 
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TurtleDude said:
You cannot find Obama's Occidental or Columbia grades and other records with a search warrant. I suspect they are a more closely guarded secret than the identity of New York Mob Rat Henry Hill
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Just as we won't find his working drafts of "Dreams of My Father" either. :)
 
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AdamT said:
As opposed to what? Imaginary commerce clause case law? :lol:
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What an idiotic response. He didn't mention "case law" of any kind, at all, period, and certainly nothing so specific as "commerce clause case law." He said it (overturning a law passed by a "strong majority") was unprecedented entirely.

Weak sauce is all you pour. I hope you have him on retainer.
 
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AdamT said:
We know he graduated at the top of his class because he was magna cum laude. Contrary to wingnut wisdom, he did write an article for the Law Review. Exclusive: Obama's lost law review article - Ben Smith and Jeffrey Ressner - POLITICO.com
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One article and it's on "Fetal Rights. Outstanding. What were Obama's views on partial birth abortion while an Illinois State Senator?
 
I love how the conservatives of this board automatically assume Obama doesn't care about the constitutionality of the law simply because he mentioned the law's popularity. It has powered the constitutionality test already and it went be judged inn its constitutional merits, it well be judged on it's wisdom and whether or not the law, due to the telling, will give too much power to the federal government.

The difference between a democrat and a republican is who owes the favor, the politican or the business
 
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Harshaw said:
What an idiotic response. He didn't mention "case law" of any kind, at all, period, and certainly nothing so specific as "commerce clause case law." He said it (overturning a law passed by a "strong majority") was unprecedented entirely.

Weak sauce is all you pour. I hope you have him on retainer.
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Okay, I thought he was talking about the mandate case that was decided under the commerce clause. What were you talking about?
 
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Neomalthusian said:
That makes no sense. What does SCOTUS' role have to do with right wing rhetoric?

What if the POTUS aimed to veto a
Bill congress passed because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and a Senator warned him that he better not veto it, because Congress passed it. I mean WTF? Wouldn't that show incredible ignorance to our structure of government?

The only partisan rhetoric here is in Obama's his feigned ignorance.
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He's a Constitutional scholar and like many of them he doesn't believe the bill is unconstitutional. He has a right to his opinions.
 
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iguanaman said:
He's a Constitutional scholar and like many of them he doesn't believe the bill is unconstitutional. He has a right to his opinions.
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Or maybe he does not respect the Constitution as others do ? There is significant accumulating evidence for this. If he is a closet Marxist, then the scumbag would just as soon wipe his ass with the Constitution.

Frankly, he's no Constitutional Scholar. He never argued it in any court. He was listed as a "senior lecturer" at the University of Chicago, often on leave. He was never a professor anywhere. And as I said, he's no scholar.

But he was a Community Organizer !!
 
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AdamT said:
As I mentioned above, I think Obama chose his words poorly, and I would say that if you take them literally then he was mistaken.
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Well of course we have to take his words literally. He's the POTUS and purported to be an expert in constitutional law. Why wouldn't he be expected to be taken seriously in discussions of this sort? In fact this is the only area where he's had any real world experience, and he flubbed it! I do not understand why you, and millions of others, cannot see that the emperor has no clothes.

He explained today: "The point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws and all of us have to respect it. But it's precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly-elected legislature, our Congress."
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He explained again and still has it wrong!! This is incredible! The Supremes have "deference" only to the Constitution, not to Congress. Stop defending this clown. Rev. Wright referred to him as just another politician, and he had him pegged.
 
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AdamT said:
The point may have been to make it easier for minorities to win the office, but that doesn't mean that he was elected for that reason. In fact, if you research it you will find that everyone who was on the review and who has been interviewed says he was elected based on merit.
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No, that is not true. They have been quite open that his race played an important role because they thought at the time that it was a good thing. Had it been based on grades alone he would not have qualified.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Or maybe he does not respect the Constitution as others do ? There is significant accumulating evidence for this. If he is a closet Marxist, then the scumbag would just as soon wipe his ass with the Constitution.

Frankly, he's no Constitutional Scholar. He never argued it in any court. He was listed as a "senior lecturer" at the University of Chicago, often on leave. He was never a professor anywhere. And as I said, he's no scholar.

But he was a Community Organizer !!
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Would that be that war torn 'community' in Chicago we have been reading so much about lately? :lamo
 
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Grant said:
No, that is not true. They have been quite open that his race played an important role because they thought at the time that it was a good thing. Had it been based on grades alone he would not have qualified.
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No, they haven't. You cannot back up your claim.
 
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Grant said:
He explained again and still has it wrong!! This is incredible! The Supremes have "deference" only to the Constitution, not to Congress. Stop defending this clown. Rev. Wright referred to him as just another politician, and he had him pegged.
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He did not explain it wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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That the Supreme Court is supposed to only judge with the Constitution in hand, that Justice is a foxy chick in a blindfold, (I always get a little turned on when I see her) history shows us quite often the Supreme Court does have a tilt to it. The original decisions on corporations is an example. This latest one is another.

That President Obama makes some comments a few less than informed folks take as ignorant simply means some need to actually read a bit of the history of the Supreme Court.

In a perfect world the Highest Court WOULD only judge a case with the Constitution as the yardstick.

It will be interesting.
 
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AdamT said:
No, they haven't. You cannot back up your claim.
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Stunning response...Absolutely stunning....:lol:

AdamT said:
He did not explain it wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.
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And another....My god, with rhetorical skills like that I for one am surprised that you waste your time on a message board. I mean after all, you should be putting your mad "Nuh Uh" witty retort to use with MSNBC, or Media Matters....:lamo

Look, the Thug n chief got busted trying to bully the SCOTUS, and quite wrongly saying some pretty stupid things like the "unprecedented" comment, but it does fit with the Obama of old that lib sycophants like yourself dismissed at every turn here is the ditty, maybe you remember it....



Now give me your best "nuh uh"....:2wave:


j-mac
 
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notquiteright said:
That the Supreme Court is supposed to only judge with the Constitution in hand, that Justice is a foxy chick in a blindfold, (I always get a little turned on when I see her) history shows us quite often the Supreme Court does have a tilt to it. The original decisions on corporations is an example. This latest one is another.

That President Obama makes some comments a few less than informed folks take as ignorant simply means some need to actually read a bit of the history of the Supreme Court.

In a perfect world the Highest Court WOULD only judge a case with the Constitution as the yardstick.

It will be interesting.
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And if it were only about the Constitution, as we hope it will be, then Obamacare gets thrown out as a slam dunk. That things are so ****ed up is because of liberal expansion of the Commerce Clause, and a complete disregard for the concept of Enumerated Powers.

SCOTUS got Citzens United correct. The liberal concept that you can have Unions and Media Organizations "exempt", but then regulate donations from other groupings of people and their capital is complete liberal horsehit. Thank God this Court had the Constitutional wisdom to say all that is horse manure.

Time for the Court to roll back all this Progressive nonsense. You may not like it, but the Founders are surely cool with it. ;)
 
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notquiteright said:
That the Supreme Court is supposed to only judge with the Constitution in hand, that Justice is a foxy chick in a blindfold, (I always get a little turned on when I see her) history shows us quite often the Supreme Court does have a tilt to it. The original decisions on corporations is an example. This latest one is another.

That President Obama makes some comments a few less than informed folks take as ignorant simply means some need to actually read a bit of the history of the Supreme Court.

In a perfect world the Highest Court WOULD only judge a case with the Constitution as the yardstick.

It will be interesting.
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:roll: Oh Give me a break....And I suppose if the court throws out the mandate, or strikes the law en total, then what? They didn't follow the Constitution? Sounds like pre-emptive sour grapes to me...


j-mac
 
Grant said:
I doubt that. BHO doesn't have the dignity or class. His track record says he'll lash out and blame everyone else.
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I disagree he does have dignity and class, i just think he mispeaks and has his own eccentricities like we all do. The fact we disagree with him on many issues just excagerates his anomies.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I disagree he does have dignity and class, i just think he mispeaks and has his own eccentricities like we all do. The fact we disagree with him on many issues just excagerates his anomies.
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And he whistles his damned "S"sssss...GAWD that is annoying.


j-mac
 
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I find it somewhat distasteful for Obama to be resorting to the typical rightwing battle cry of "Judicial Activism! Judicial Activism!"

That seems to be below the office of the Presidency.

Isn't that what Vice President's are for?

But when all decisions are based on a 5 to 4 count, I think we should all be concerned as to how much politics plays into the decisions of the judges sitting in the highest court in our land. That should concern us all regardless of our lean.

The court is supposed to be above and beyond politics. Just doing the math, it should be very clear to us all that it is not.
 
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