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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are you not following the thread? It is right wing rhetoric to accuse the Supreme Court of activism whenever it does something that right wingers don't like.
    Unless someone other than the right engages in it.

    Saying that unelected judges are substituting their judgment for that of our elected representatives, i.e. "legislating from the bench" is torn straight from the right wing lexicon. Doesn't it sound stupid coming back at you?
    Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Unless someone other than the right engages in it.



    Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.
    Diverting from what? That Obama made a poorly worded statement? I just acknowledged that. Anything else?
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Unless someone other than the right engages in it.



    Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.
    This is what I see Obama doing. It's not "trying to influence to judges", that is just stupid. He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.

    Personally I would prefer Obama to not say **** like this. Just because I can see what he is saying does not mean I think it is a good idea. We have to assume that SCOTUS judges are going to rule based on law. Since there is no realistic way to get one out once appointed, we can either trust and accept, or be pissed off all the time. I do not always like how SCOTUS rules, but we appoint experts to SCOTUS for a reason, and I have to accept their rulings.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    He has believed he could do quite a number of things in ways which would not work. Rio will enjoy its Olympics, for example.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.
    Wait, you're countering the idea that he was trying to influence the decision with a suggestion that he was being facetious and insincere?
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbwayne View Post
    Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.
    Striking down a law as unconstitutional isn't judicial activism if the law really is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbwayne View Post
    Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.
    Yet again we have the usual and tiresome "they all do it" argument.

    If that's your stock answer, as it is with so many leftists, why bother with debate?

    There is no issue where this doesn't apply and it adds nothing to the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what I see Obama doing. It's not "trying to influence to judges", that is just stupid. He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.

    Personally I would prefer Obama to not say **** like this. Just because I can see what he is saying does not mean I think it is a good idea. We have to assume that SCOTUS judges are going to rule based on law. Since there is no realistic way to get one out once appointed, we can either trust and accept, or be pissed off all the time. I do not always like how SCOTUS rules, but we appoint experts to SCOTUS for a reason, and I have to accept their rulings.


    You think he was making fun? Sounded pretty serious about it to me.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You think he was making fun? Sounded pretty serious about it to me.
    It is a hypothesis and not the only thing I think he is doing(Note the word "and", it is important). Since neither you nor I are in his head, neither of us knows for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a hypothesis and not the only thing I think he is doing(Note the word "and", it is important). Since neither you nor I are in his head, neither of us knows for sure.


    Indeed, however I find your speculation without merit, and I on the otherhand will take our president at his word, instead of finding excuses for these recent curious statements of his.
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