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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Not all tax penalties involve benefit to someone else just as not all tax credits benefit everyone. Take the children's tax credit. If I don't have children I just do not participate. Those who have children get a tax credit those who don't, won't get one, but I am not being charged more because I don't have children. I am not being penalized, I'm just not participating in the tax credit.
    Okay, y'all are going to make my head explode here. YOU ARE BEING PENALIZED if you don't get the child tax credit because you are therefore paying a larger percentage of the tax burden then you would otherwise be paying. Conservatives often complain because about 47% of Americans aren't paying any federal taxes. Why do you think that is? In significant part it's because of the child tax credit, which was raised to $1,000 per child under Bush. Your taxes have to be higher and/or the services government provides have to be smaller to pay for those tax credits that you aren't getting.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Okay, y'all are going to make my head explode here. YOU ARE BEING PENALIZED if you don't get the child tax credit because you are therefore paying a larger percentage of the tax burden then you would otherwise be paying. Conservatives often complain because about 47% of Americans aren't paying any federal taxes. Why do you think that is? In significant part it's because of the child tax credit, which was raised to $1,000 per child under Bush. Your taxes have to be higher and/or the services government provides have to be smaller to pay for those tax credits that you aren't getting.
    Which taxes?
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Holy ****, how many times do I have to point out that appealing to authority is perfeclty legitimate as long as the person cited really is a credible authority on the topic.
    Yes, you have pointed to Obama as a 'credible authority' as well. His statements about a topic he is an 'authority' on, lead one to believe otherwise. I'll add an 'authority' spouting off partisan talking points has not credibility.

    So for the hundredth time,
    Make it a thousand times, it does not make it true. Look, it's been explained to you, and now your continual instance on sticking to your flawed partisan argument bores me.

    The tax level is not being raised on everyone, in order to give an 'incentive', as you have suggested.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    My understanding is the baseline is without children. It's not a penalty it's a credit.
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Just my opinion - for those who are arguing about the distinction between a penalty and a credit, the distinction in my mind is largely artificial - they are two sides of the same coin. In terms of cost, whether a penalty or a credit is applied, you're always better off being "credited" or "not penalized."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

    Wow. Just... wow!

    Why are these remarks 'unprecedented' only when a black democratic President says them?? -- The right has been screaming 'judicial activism' for years....

    Come on, righties, try to be a little self-aware of your own hypocrisy...

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    No, it's not. If I get a deduction for installing solar panels, but I choose not to install solar panels. I have bought nothing. I owe nothing to the government for not installing them. If I buy a Chevy Volt and receive a tax deduction, but if I choose not to buy a car at all, I have bought nothing and I owe nothing to the government.
    The Tax Deduction can apply to the first $10,000 earned, for instance. The Medical Insurance tax rate could be 25% for the first $10,000 earned, with a deduction against the tax due, with a deduction for any monies spent on health insurance purchased by yourself or your employer. If you, or your employer, spend $2500 or more for health insurance, then you get the full deduction, and do not owe any of the 25% tax for Medical care. If you don't have health insurance, then you pay a Medical Insurance Tax of $2500.00 on the first $10,000.00 earned.



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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Just my opinion - for those who are arguing about the distinction between a penalty and a credit, the distinction in my mind is largely artificial - they are two sides of the same coin. In terms of cost, whether a penalty or a credit is applied, you're always better off being "credited" or "not penalized."
    Except in this case of Ubamacare which from what I have heard, it is cheaper to pay the penalty...LOL
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why are these remarks 'unprecedented' only when a black democratic President says them?? -- The right has been screaming 'judicial activism' for years....

    Come on, righties, try to be a little self-aware of your own hypocrisy...

    This isn't judicial activism. Roe vs Wade is an example of judicial activism.
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Actually they will bill you afterwards, Unless of course you have given false identification. and this applies ONLY to emergency rooms. You got long term care problems it doesn't help. You need a non emergency surgery, SOL etc. It does not compare.
    That "emergency only" care adds 25% to YOUR HC premiums. Your ok with the responsible people having to pay extra but the deadbeats gaming the system can't be charged a dime. That is very generous of you. Stupid but generous.

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