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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I've read a lot of it, and certainly several detailed summaries. See, there's nothing at all preventing the American people from learning about the bill -- except for laziness and partisan bias. Did you want Ms. Pelosi to spoon feed it to you like a little baby? Is that how you think democracy works?

    As far as who wrote it -- like all bills it was drafted by the congressional drafting service. Both houses of Congress have legislative drafting offices staffed with lawyers who are experts in their respective fields. And like all bills, you can bet that lobbyists drafted a lot of it.
    What I'm surprised we haven't seen is the summary provided to Congress. That would be telling -- kind of like Transparency 101.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What I'm surprised we haven't seen is the summary provided to Congress. That would be telling -- kind of like Transparency 101.
    My understanding is that Apollo and The Tides Foundation wrote it (Soros). I'm still waiting for the open debate promised us on CSPAN...LOL

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    My understanding is that Apollo and The Tides Foundation wrote it (Soros). I'm still waiting for the open debate promised us on CSPAN...LOL
    Are there any cites to support your understanding?
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What I'm surprised we haven't seen is the summary provided to Congress. That would be telling -- kind of like Transparency 101.
    Have you looked? Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - H.R.3590 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are there any cites to support your understanding?
    Nope, haven't got a dang thing. Just speculation by several. I don't know if we will ever really knew who wrote it, but I can betcha it weren't no conservative org.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Nope, haven't got a dang thing. Just speculation by several. I don't know if we will ever really knew who wrote it, but I can betcha it weren't no conservative org.
    You can betcha that the guts of it were originally drafted by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and I do have a cites.

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

    And of course it's no coincidence that Obamacare closely resembles the plan implemented by Mitt Romney -- the GOP frontrunner. Both plans were heavily influenced by MIT economist Jonathon Gruber (who said that they are "the same ****ing bill"). Jonathan Gruber (economist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You can betcha that the guts of it were originally drafted by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and I do have a cites.

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

    And of course it's no coincidence that Obamacare closely resembles the plan implemented by Mitt Romney -- the GOP frontrunner. Both plans were heavily influenced by MIT economist Jonathon Gruber (who said that they are "the same ****ing bill"). Jonathan Gruber (economist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Well I'm not in love with any of the Republican runners and they ain't conservative. I don't consider RINO'S as cons...sorry.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You can betcha that the guts of it were originally drafted by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and I do have a cites.

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes

    And of course it's no coincidence that Obamacare closely resembles the plan implemented by Mitt Romney -- the GOP frontrunner. Both plans were heavily influenced by MIT economist Jonathon Gruber (who said that they are "the same ****ing bill"). Jonathan Gruber (economist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    From your own link:

    UPDATE: John Goodman says: “Did the ideas behind ObamaCare originate at the Heritage Foundation? I would say ‘no.’ They originated with [Stanford economist] Alain Enthoven. But Heritage played a role.” I’ll have more on the history of the individual mandate in a future post.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Apollo, Tides, and Unions like SEIU openly bragged about writing the Stimulus, and Cap and Trade legislation, it wouldn't be surprising that these same players played a heavy role in Health Care as well. But, it is really going to be a moot point when the SCOTUS strikes down the law anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Apollo, Tides, and Unions like SEIU openly bragged about writing the Stimulus, and Cap and Trade legislation, it wouldn't be surprising that these same players played a heavy role in Health Care as well. But, it is really going to be a moot point when the SCOTUS strikes down the law anyway.


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