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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Functionally there is no difference at all. Say, instead of having a $900 tax penalty, Congress had passed a $900 tax credit for buying insurance, with a commensurate reduction in the personal exemptions to keep it revenue neutral. What's the result? If you have insurance you come out even. If you don't have insurance you pay an extra $900 relative to those who do have insurance. Exactly the same result as having a $900 penalty.
    The same thing? Hmm. Last I checked I did not have to pay a penalty for not buying a hybrid car or solar panels for my house.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    The same thing? Hmm. Last I checked I did not have to pay a penalty for not buying a hybrid car or solar panels for my house.
    Well then you better check again, because if someone is getting a tax preference that you are not -- rest assured that you are paying for it, or will soon in the form of higher taxes and/or reduced services. Remember ... there is no free lunch.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well then you better check again, because if someone is getting a tax preference that you are not -- rest assured that you are paying for it, or will soon in the form of higher taxes and/or reduced services. Remember ... there is no free lunch.
    Man you spin fast.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    [QUOTE=Arbo;1060371817]Man you spin fast.[/QUOTEt

    Those who support this health bill are forced to spin. Like the president himself, they certainly don't have knowledge on their side. What else can they do?

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well then you better check again, because if someone is getting a tax preference that you are not -- rest assured that you are paying for it, or will soon in the form of higher taxes and/or reduced services. Remember ... there is no free lunch.
    And you agree with this? You think it's a good thing that things like the Chevy Volt get a 10K government subsidy PER UNIT?
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And you agree with this? You think it's a good thing that things like the Chevy Volt get a 10K government subsidy PER UNIT?
    Der problem es dat no vun woot buy Herr Obama's Voltswagen mit owt der subsidy, und day vil not buy it anyway.

    Voot you buy a used Voltswagen frum das President?

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Functionally there is no difference at all. Say, instead of having a $900 tax penalty, Congress had passed a $900 tax credit for buying insurance, with a commensurate reduction in the personal exemptions to keep it revenue neutral. What's the result? If you have insurance you come out even. If you don't have insurance you pay an extra $900 relative to those who do have insurance. Exactly the same result as having a $900 penalty.
    I'm beginning to see where your logic is. However there is a fundamental issue.

    When I shop at Lowe's, I get a 10% military discount. That is not a 10% penalty to you that is a discount to me. Can you imagine the outrage if Lowes get it the opposite way? Only military could get the price on the shelf, everyone else had to pay 10% more.

    If the Congress had written it as a tax credit that was fiscally neutral, It may have been viewed differently. However writing it as a penalty changes the entire ballgame.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hard to believe his claims that he went to a prestigious university and was allegedly taught something about constitutional law. Perhaps he should surrender his diploma for inspection, along with his birth certificate, his hospital records and his passport.
    The only reason Ubama studied Constitutional Law is to find ways around it, if that isn't clear by now, I don't know what is.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    1) I think that it would be irresponsible to overturn 75 years of precedent that was instrumental in the creation of the social safety net, desegration, and a host of other important policies, yes;

    2) In ratifying the mandate the Court wouldn't be giving Congress any power that it doesn't already have.
    what you are saying is that crappy decisions that created 75 years of dishonest precedent are ok because they allowed congress to create stuff you like

    that sort of attitude is why the country's going down the toilet

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well then you better check again, because if someone is getting a tax preference that you are not -- rest assured that you are paying for it, or will soon in the form of higher taxes and/or reduced services. Remember ... there is no free lunch.

    Yeah the top one percent are paying too much so everyone else can

    1) pay too less to fund what the left wants

    2) or can demand more government than they are willing to pay for

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