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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Translation: "no, I cannot answer two simple yes/no questions."


    Hmm the way you avoid mine, i don't think this post was your prime play.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Hmm the way you avoid mine, i don't think this post was your prime play.
    For example?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    For example?


    #305, #303 and thats on this page alone.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    #305, #303 and thats on this page alone.
    Hardly on this page, and I checked 303 and I answered it in post #304. #305 is just restating the question from #303 that I answered in #304. WTF? Not giving the answer you wanted is not the same things as not answering.
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hardly on this page, and I checked 303 and I answered it in post #304. #305 is just restating the question from #303 that I answered in #304. WTF? Not giving the answer you wanted is not the same things as not answering.



    You did not answer it, yo dodged it.

    How many?
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You did not answer it, yo dodged it.

    How many?
    No, I answered it. Again, you not liking the answer is not the same thing as me not answering. Why don't you try responding to what I actually wrote instead of pretending I didn't write it?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The mandate isn't about health care; it's about health insurance.
    Well, if we are whining about who answered what, then maybe you can get to my question in 317.

    But to address the portion I quoted above, we do not have "insurance" in this country anymore. What we have now are benefit plans that are subsidies of our lifestyles, and the question before us is whom is going to pay for that.


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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if we are whining about who answered what, then maybe you can get to my question in 317.
    AdamT wrote:
    So AGAIN ... I (and the Supreme Court) make the distinction between directly regulating interstate commerce (i.e. the health insurance market) and regulating things -- like home sales -- that might have an INDIRECT affect on interstate commerce.
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    Can you regulate either if they haven't been purchased?
    Yes, if something can be directly regulated it can be directly regulated.

    Congress has the power to create tax incentives for pretty much anything, which is what the "mandate" actually is: a tax incentive to buy insurance. It's no different than the tax incentive to buy solar panels or home mortgages or hybrid/electric cars.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Congress has the power to create tax incentives for pretty much anything, which is what the "mandate" actually is: a tax incentive to buy insurance. It's no different than the tax incentive to buy solar panels or home mortgages or hybrid/electric cars.
    I don't recall any 'tax incentives' that charge you money if you do not do something. Seems in general they give you a tax break if you do something.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I don't recall any 'tax incentives' that charge you money if you do not do something. Seems in general they give you a tax break if you do something.
    Functionally there is no difference at all. Say, instead of having a $900 tax penalty, Congress had passed a $900 tax credit for buying insurance, with a commensurate reduction in the personal exemptions to keep it revenue neutral. What's the result? If you have insurance you come out even. If you don't have insurance you pay an extra $900 relative to those who do have insurance. Exactly the same result as having a $900 penalty.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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