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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And Obama did so -- attempting to influence the outcome -- by making untrue statements. Reagan said nothing untrue in that blurb.
    How was he attempting to influence the outcome? Do Supreme Court justices no longer have lifetime appointments?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    No one's saying it's new that a POTUS would disagree with the SCOTUS. What matters is on what grounds. Obama's argument is that it should pass because Congress passed it. I can't watch your video right now, so, what was Reagan's rationale? If it was anywhere bear as ignorant of the Constition as Obama's being, I'll condemn him too.
    Reagan did not actually call for the overturn of Roe v. Wade in that blurb. What he called for was working to find a way to protect unborn life.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    How was he attempting to influence the outcome? Do Supreme Court justices no longer have lifetime appointments?
    Oh, please.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    No one's saying it's new that a POTUS would disagree with the SCOTUS. What matters is on what grounds. Obama's argument is that it should pass because Congress passed it. I can't watch your video right now, so, what was Reagan's rationale? If it was anywhere near as ignorant of the Constition as Obama's being, I'll condemn him too.

    Except that he's dead, RvW was 39 years ago and not the topic of this thread, whereas PPACA and Obama are current, and they are the topic of the thread.
    Obama was obviously just making a short comment. If you want to know what the Obama administration's actual argument is, read the government's brief and listen to the oral arguments.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, please.
    Yes, please explain how the President can influence the Supreme Court, who's members are appointed for life.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    Yes, please explain how the President can influence the Supreme Court, who's members are appointed for life.
    I didn't say he could. I said he was attempting to. It requires a particular kind of blindness not to see that.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I didn't say he could. I said he was attempting to. It requires a particular kind of blindness not to see that.
    Ah, so he can't, but he was attempting to, because he's not as smart as you and I, or as up on constitutional law?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Reagan did not actually call for the overturn of Roe v. Wade in that blurb. What he called for was working to find a way to protect unborn life.
    Oh, please.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

    Wow. Just... wow!
    A liberal compiaining about "legislating from the bench" How dare he. That's only for the Right wing to say.....and say...and say.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ah, so he can't, but he was attempting to, because he's not as smart as you and I, or as up on constitutional law?
    Whatever the reason he was attempting to do it, he was attempting to do it. As I said, it requires a particular kind of blindness . . . refusal to see it.

    And who's to say a lifetime appointment precludes any and all influence, anyway? That's absurd on its face. The Justices can't lose their positions, but they certainly can be worried about their reputations and legacies.
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