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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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We all notice how the left likes to use judges to overturn the will of the people when it comes to an issue they favor, and then intimidate judges like Obama is trying to do to get them to follow the will of the people (elected democrats) in congress.

Fascinating, hypocritical, and dishonest.
 
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radcen said:
Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

Wow. Just... wow!
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and this came from a law professor, but of course he was always teaching against our Constitution.
 
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Redress said:
It is a hypothesis and not the only thing I think he is doing(Note the word "and", it is important). Since neither you nor I are in his head, neither of us knows for sure.
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But you think it's more likely he was being facetious and insincere, rather than what his plain words suggest, that he was trying to influence the decision.
 
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Harshaw said:
But you think it's more likely he was being facetious and insincere, rather than what his plain words suggest, that he was trying to influence the decision.
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Well, his plain words say that unloess you actually read what he says. If we are going with plain words, he was simply discussing current events. Youi can't have it both ways, you speculate, others not allowed.
 
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Redress said:
Well, his plain words say that unloess you actually read what he says. If we are going with plain words, he was simply discussing current events. Youi can't have it both ways, you speculate, others not allowed.
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Didn't say it wasn't allowed. Of course I speculate, but it's perfectly consistent with the words and the tone. I'm asking you if you really think it's more likely he was being facetious and insincere.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
We all notice how the left likes to use judges to overturn the will of the people when it comes to an issue they favor, and then intimidate judges like Obama is trying to do to get them to follow the will of the people (elected democrats) in congress.

Fascinating, hypocritical, and dishonest.
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Nobody is intimidating anybody. Take off the tinfoil hat.
 
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Redress said:
Well, his plain words say that unloess you actually read what he says. If we are going with plain words, he was simply discussing current events. Youi can't have it both ways, you speculate, others not allowed.
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So by saying
Ultimately, I am confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress …
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he was just discussing current events?

Does this fool even know that overturning something that Congress passed would not be either "unprecedented" or "extraordinary", or why there even is a Supreme Court?

His diploma, if he has one, is obviously a fake.
 
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Grant said:
So by saying he was just discussing current events?

Does this fool even know that overturning something that Congress passed would not be either "unprecedented" or "extraordinary", or why there even is a Supreme Court?

His diploma, if he has one, is obviously a fake.
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Or maybe the more reasonable explanation is true: he was measuring "unprecedented" in a manner that you haven't considered.
 
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Harshaw said:
Didn't say it wasn't allowed. Of course I speculate, but it's perfectly consistent with the words and the tone. I'm asking you if you really think it's more likely he was being facetious and insincere.
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Yes, it makes alot more sense than he is trying to tell people who know better what to do.
 
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Deuce said:
Or maybe the more reasonable explanation is true: he was measuring "unprecedented" in a manner that you haven't considered.
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Like what?
 
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patrickbwayne said:
Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.
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We can talk about that when the issue of abortion is on the Supreme Court docket but it is not.
 
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Redress said:
Yes, it makes alot more sense than he is trying to tell people who know better what to do.
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Well, if that's the way you want to see it, then by all means. It's not exactly according-to-Occam's Razor, though.
 
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What he was saying, IMO, is that the Court is supposed to give deference to duly passed legislation and the inquiry is more in the nature of trying to find a way to uphold it as opposed to trying to find a way to strike it down.
 
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Harshaw said:
Well, if that's the way you want to see it, then by all means. It's not exactly according-to-Occam's Razor, though.
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Moreso than your vague conspiracy theory type accusation that Obama is trying to influence people by...well, by saying things they have no obligation to listen to and who they know has no power to get at them,
 
AdamT said:
What he was saying, IMO, is that the Court is supposed to give deference to duly passed legislation and the inquiry is more in the nature of trying to find a way to uphold it as opposed to trying to find a way to strike it down.
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So if they repealed women's sufferage, they should give "deference"?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Dude was fast tracked to potus.... He does indeed think he knows better. :lol:
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Not how I meant that: the justices know better than to think Obama can do anything to them or that his word has any bearing on the case. And yes, Obama does know this.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Dude was fast tracked to potus.... He does indeed think he knows better. :lol:
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Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.
 
Redress said:
Not how I meant that: the justices know better than to think Obama can do anything to them or that his word has any bearing on the case. And yes, Obama does know this.
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Oh ok.... I misunderstood.

My speculation? Obama was posturing.....
 
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AdamT said:
What he was saying, IMO, is that the Court is supposed to give deference to duly passed legislation and the inquiry is more in the nature of trying to find a way to uphold it as opposed to trying to find a way to strike it down.
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Well that's sure a new one ! Supposed to "give deference to duly passed legislation ..... " ... that is a pantload of liberal caca.

No. It is supposed to give deference to the Constitution. Since Marbury vs. Madison, has established that it has review over Laws passed by Congress and signed by the President, and has overturned over 150 of them.
 
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Deuce said:
Or maybe the more reasonable explanation is true: he was measuring "unprecedented" in a manner that you haven't considered.
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That might well be.

What do you believe he meant by "unprecedented"?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Oh ok.... I misunderstood.

My speculation? Obama was posturing.....
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This would be more likely than trying to influence or intimidate the court.
 
AdamT said:
Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.
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Then again, he makes a stupid statment that scotus should defer to populism and congress, I'm bot so sure. :shrug:
 
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AdamT said:
Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.
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Its not about what he knows. Its about what he believes, and what he does based on those beliefs. He may "know" the Constitution, although he certainly does not agree with it. Frankly, he has shown that he is rather ignorant to American history and the Founders.
 
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