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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    Yep, I had him for Trusts & Estates. Also had dinner with him at anothe profs house once. Bonfield got into a big fight with his wife about risotto. Awkward!
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    it's odd that so many people whgo have actually studied the laws of the US disagree. Even odder that this was not the issue ot the SCOTUS hearings, it was the way it was done. And yet you with no constitutional law experience can state that it is that way "period". Pardon me if I doubt your accuracy.
    Even odder that people that have never read the legislation yet voted on it might be SHOCKED that what they passed was garbage legislation that wouldnt pass constitutional muster. Amazing how that **** happens when you ram through legislation without knowing what you are voting for. Or...knock knock...supporting.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let's get this clear, okay?

    Are you making the claim that Barack Hussein Obama did not benefit from affirmative action while at Harvard?
    I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.

    The official record lists him as a graduate and former president of the LR. It's nonsensical to the nth degree for so many on here to claim anything opposite to what is on record and then proceed to not offer up contrary evidence that actually supports said claim and push the burden of proof onto the defense to prove they're (those disagreeing with official record/fact) right.

    The claims that you've made about Obama's time at Harvard and the proof you've submitted to back that up aren't correlating to each other, as the link you've posted talks about the changes in the 1970s due to race but doesn't make any explicit comment about Obama's race being a definitive factor in his selection personally . The closest comment that could be construed as anything supporting your claim is made by Yu, the previous LR President, who says something to the effect of "...people may read more into it". The tone and overall theme of the article gives the appearance of trying to imply something but that is simple speculation that could only be affirmed by the person who wrote the article in 1990.

    What rule of evidence are you claiming the article falls under? One article that doesn't even say anything about his selection process specifically proves nothing beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't constitute neither a preponderance of evidence nor can be deemed as 'substantial'. You have an antithesis to fact believed by many supported by reasonable suspicion at best.

    I don't know who is wrong and who is right on this issue but 'trust me on this hunch' proves nothing.
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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by GoTim1985 View Post
    I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.

    The official record lists him as a graduate and former president of the LR. It's nonsensical to the nth degree for so many on here to claim anything opposite to what is on record and then proceed to not offer up contrary evidence that actually supports said claim and push the burden of proof onto the defense to prove they're (those disagreeing with official record/fact) right.

    The claims that you've made about Obama's time at Harvard and the proof you've submitted to back that up aren't correlating to each other, as the link you've posted talks about the changes in the 1970s due to race but doesn't make any explicit comment about Obama's race being a definitive factor in his selection personally . The closest comment that could be construed as anything supporting your claim is made by Yu, the previous LR President, who says something to the effect of "...people may read more into it". The tone and overall theme of the article gives the appearance of trying to imply something but that is simple speculation that could only be affirmed by the person who wrote the article in 1990.

    What rule of evidence are you claiming the article falls under? One article that doesn't even say anything about his selection process specifically proves nothing beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't constitute neither a preponderance of evidence nor can be deemed as 'substantial'. You have an antithesis to fact believed by many supported by reasonable suspicion at best.

    I don't know who is wrong and who is right on this issue but 'trust me on this hunch' proves nothing.
    Exactly right. I said that Grant could not back up his claim because it's simply false. Laurence Tribe is probably the most respected constitutional law scholar in the U.S.

    Obama's performance inside and outside the classroom attracted more notice than his distinctive personal story. In the spring of his first year at law school, Obama stopped by the office of Professor Laurence Tribe ’66 inquiring about becoming a research assistant.

    Tribe rarely hired first-year students but recalls being struck by Obama’s unusual combination of intelligence, curiosity and maturity. He was so impressed in fact, that he hired Obama on the spot—and wrote his name and phone number on his calendar that day—March 31, 1989—for posterity.

    Obama helped research a complicated article Tribe wrote making connections between physics and constitutional law as well as a book about abortion. The following year, Obama enrolled in Tribe’s constitutional law course.

    Tribe likes to say he had taught about 4,000 students before Obama and another 4,000 since, yet none has impressed him more.

    Professor Martha Minow recalls: “He had a kind of eloquence and respect from his peers that was really quite remarkable,” Minow says. When he spoke in her class on law and society, “everyone became very attentive and very quiet.”

    Artur Davis ‘93 still vividly recalls how much Obama inspired him with a speech he gave during orientation week on striving for excellence and mastery. Davis, now a United States Congressman from Alabama, insists he left that speech by Obama convinced he’d just heard a future Supreme Court justice—or president.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoTim1985 View Post
    I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.
    Here's reference to a letter with a quote attached.

    Obama and Harvard: Is Donald Trump right?

    Here is a letter with the original statements regarding affirmative action relating to BHO.

    Obama’s 1990 note to the Harvard Law Record ” as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career” « thesophic

    Vetting was obviously not done on this guy.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Exactly right. I said that Grant could not back up his claim because it's simply false.
    Those quotes you mention all say what a wonderful speaker he was , what a gifted and inspirational orator, how he inspired people, etc. and thats what was said about him repeatedly during his election campaign.

    But that is his main strength and, so far, his only apparent strength. And even these speeches have now become very tired. Does anyone really listen to him seriously anymore? Or believe him?

    No one lauds his writings, his legal insights, his realistic or practical visions. None of that. It is just bafflegab dressed up as oratory, and we can see that now.

    There is no substance to the man. He will say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

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    Here's reference to a letter with a quote attached.

    Obama and Harvard: Is Donald Trump right?
    WorldNetDaily?

    And it contains no facts that suggest that Obama was elected as president of the HLR because of his race.

    Here is a letter with the original statements regarding affirmative action relating to BHO.

    Obama’s 1990 note to the Harvard Law Record ” as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career” « thesophic

    Vetting was obviously not done on this guy.
    Did you even read your own link?

    all students who wish to become editors of the Law Review participate in a writing competition at the end of their first year. The entire writing competition is conducted on a double-blind basis, to ensure absolute anonymity. Each submission is graded by at least three different Review editors to help decrease the effects that any particular editor’s subjective opinions may have on the final scores.
    In other words, he could not have been selected for Law Review based on his race, because the people grading the submissions have no idea what the race is of the applicants. Epic fail.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    obama should at least wait until there is a ruling before taking this sort if rhetoric to the bully pulpit.

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    obama should at least wait until there is a ruling before taking this sort if rhetoric to the bully pulpit.
    I agree. If his statement has any effect, which it probably won't, it would probably be to irritate the conservative justices and incline them more to vote against him.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Cou

    Pretty interesting mini-documentary on Obama's Harvard Law days:



    The striking thing to me is how little he's changed.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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