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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    It doesn't really matter to the faithful dweebs. They're loyal to their party, not to the process that ensures our liberty and freedom. Don't all of you people who demand integrity and honesty have something better to do?
    Nobody has suggested election fraud go unpunished. Why are you making things up?

    What people are saying is:
    1) Election fraud is not limited to Democrats. If you think otherwise, you are dumb.
    2) Election fraud is not as widespread as people seem to think
    3) Voter ID laws would not have prevented this
    4) Actual fraudulently cast votes are incredibly rare, because there's so little to gain for the individual doing it and so much to lose.

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    Do you support ACORN? Yes or no.
    ACORN is not guilty of what most people think they are guilty of. I suspect you have a mistaken impression of what actually happened.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    If it takes law enforcement until the NEXT election to even charge someone with voter fraud, how does that dissuade someone from trying it?
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    ACORNS methods.
    Be specific. Which methods?

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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If it takes law enforcement until the NEXT election to even charge someone with voter fraud, how does that dissuade someone from trying it?
    Because they gain nothing and end up in jail?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because they gain nothing and end up in jail?
    I'd assume that if they knew they were going to gain nothing, they wouldn't try it at all - obviously they thought it would help, or why the hell did they do it?

    So then, if they think the election fraud will help the candidate they support, and they won't be charged until the next election, what is dicouraging them from trying it, beyond the threat of possible criminal charges in 3-4 years, with an even lower possibility of conviction/jail time.


    Edit: I'm assuming here that the only people who might contemplate such actions are fairly partisan/fanatical in the first place – and so willing to risk such.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'd assume that if they knew they were going to gain nothing, they wouldn't try it at all - obviously they thought it would help, or why the hell did they do it?

    So then, if they think the election fraud will help the candidate they support, and they won't be charged until the next election, what is dicouraging them from trying it, beyond the threat of possible criminal charges in 3-4 years, with an even lower possibility of conviction/jail time.


    Edit: I'm assuming here that the only people who might contemplate such actions are fairly partisan/fanatical in the first place – and so willing to risk such.
    In this particular scenario, I don't see how they did gain anything out of it. These weren't fraudulent votes, they were forged signatures for a primary ballot. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were going to be on the Indiana primary ballot regardless. The requirement was only like 500 signatures, that's trivial. So, yeah, it's just the fanatics basically, or lazyness? This isn't even something that could have swung an election, that requires fraudulent votes, not petition signatures.
    So yeah, the discouragement is exactly what I said. Lack of anything to gain and possible jail time. Yeah, some people are going to be fanatical enough to do it anyway, but that would be true regardless of what laws you make. What they did was already illegal, it's not like you can make it MORE illegal. Voter ID's have been mentioned a few times, but that wouldn't have prevented this.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Be specific. Which methods?
    All of them.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    So, here's one for the right-wingers who are sitting on their moral high ground:

    Ex-Ehrlich campaign manager Schurick convicted in robocall case - The Washington Post

    Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote.
    Not petitions. Not voter registration fraud. Convicted of bonafide voter suppression. Clearly this means Republicans steal elections all the time. Right? What was the phrase? Par for the course for this party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    All of them.
    Cop out.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In this particular scenario, I don't see how they did gain anything out of it. These weren't fraudulent votes, they were forged signatures for a primary ballot. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were going to be on the Indiana primary ballot regardless. The requirement was only like 500 signatures, that's trivial. So, yeah, it's just the fanatics basically, or lazyness? This isn't even something that could have swung an election, that requires fraudulent votes, not petition signatures.
    So yeah, the discouragement is exactly what I said. Lack of anything to gain and possible jail time. Yeah, some people are going to be fanatical enough to do it anyway, but that would be true regardless of what laws you make. What they did was already illegal, it's not like you can make it MORE illegal. Voter ID's have been mentioned a few times, but that wouldn't have prevented this.
    Well, unless they changed the law to require voter ID for primary ballot signatures...
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post

    Cop out.
    Falling for an obvious trap is a cop out?
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