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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, charges have been levied, but guilt has not been determined. Don't let that stop your hyper partisan behavior though.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

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    Nor yours.
    I'm waiting for a verdict, how am I being hyper partisan?

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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    While I am watching the cat fight that is playing out, let me interject my own opinion here.

    1) In any state that consists of millions of people, there are going to be instances of voter fraud. It happens on both sides.

    2) Actual voter fraud is extremely rare.

    3) If someone commits voter fraud, then they should go to jail.

    4) How many people have been charged with voter fraud? In the state of indiana, it looks like 4, out of a population of millions.

    5) Rather than worry about voter fraud, which is an issue that has been grossly overdone, I would worry about things like Enron and other schemes in which people are defrauded of their life savings. These are orders of magnitude more important than the occasional asshole that commits voter fraud.

    6) Finally, show me proof that an election outcome was changed because of voter fraud. I have all year to wait. All I want to see is your proof.
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm waiting for a verdict, how am I being hyper partisan?
    There is a good deal of evidence:

    According to affidavits, St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office worker Lucas Burkett told investigators that he was part of the plan that started in January 2008 "to forge signatures on presidential candidate petitions instead of collecting actual signatures from citizens."

    The documents state that Burkett told investigators that “he was heavily involved in St. Joseph County political activities with the local Democratic party," and that "he had, in fact, personally forged several such signatures," and had attended meetings at the local Democratic party headquarters, where it was agreed to forge the petitions. Morgan, the County Democratic Chairman, allegedly "instructed Mr. Burkett, Pamela Brunette, Beverly Shelton, and Dustin Blythe to forge ballot petitions for presidential candidates," and that "all of them agreed to follow these instructions" by copying names and signatures from old election petitions.

    According to affidavits, Burkett told investigators it was his job to "forge petitions for candidate Barack Obama," Shelton "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate Hillary Clinton" and Blythe "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate John Edwards." When Edwards dropped out of the race at the end of January 2008 and Burkett refused to continue the forgeries, Morgan allegedly ordered Blythe to then forge petitions for Barack Obama.

    Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents. The signature of the board's Republican supervisor, Linda Silcott, which is required for legal certification, appeared to be rubber stamped on the documents. She told investigators that she did not remember signing or authorizing her rubber stamp to be used.
    The South Bend Tribune and independent political newsletter Howey Politics Indiana have reported that a handwriting analyst concluded last fall that Blythe's handwriting matched some of the alleged Obama fakes. When Fox News caught up to Blythe as he left the Voter Registration Board last November and asked him if he forged any signatures or faked any petitions, he repeatedly replied, "I don't have anything to say."

    The case raises the possibility that the president's campaign and that of Clinton’s, could have been legally challenged in Indiana if the alleged forgeries were discovered during the race.

    Under state law, presidential candidates need to qualify with 500 signatures from each of Indiana's nine congressional districts. Indiana elections officials say that in St. Joseph County, which is the 2nd Congressional District, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton's camp had 704.

    But the signatures, which were certified by the elections board, were never challenged. If the number of legitimate signatures for Obama or Clinton fell below the legal requirement of 500, they could have been bounced from the state ballot. Reports have previously put the number of phony signatures for both candidates at about 150, but state investigators plucked names from the petitions at random and cited only 20 individual alleged forgeries as part of their case. They say their investigation of the petitions continues.

    Multiple voters, including Indiana's former Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan, told Fox News that their names and signatures were phonies.

    "That's not my signature," Charity Rorie told Fox News as she sat in her kitchen in Mishawaka, Ind.. The mother of four was stunned that her name and signature, and those of her husband, appeared on one of the Obama petitions. She said they "absolutely" were fakes and was troubled that personal details such as their address and birthdays were also included.
    Looks fairly solid as far as evidence goes. Comes down the handwriting analysis and Burkette's affadavits. Im betting there is a plea bargain in there for him somewhere. Good for law enforcement in that district cant be easy even charging political leaders in your own county or district.

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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    There is a good deal of evidence:





    Looks fairly solid as far as evidence goes. Comes down the handwriting analysis and Burkette's affadavits. Im betting there is a plea bargain in there for him somewhere. Good for law enforcement in that district cant be easy even charging political leaders in your own county or district.
    I agree. The evidence is there. Charge them, and if convicted, lock them up and throw away the key.
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    How many votes in this case were fraudulently cast?
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    There is a good deal of evidence:


    Looks fairly solid as far as evidence goes. Comes down the handwriting analysis and Burkette's affadavits. Im betting there is a plea bargain in there for him somewhere. Good for law enforcement in that district cant be easy even charging political leaders in your own county or district.
    There are other factors as to whom are (is) the guilty one(s). 4 were charged, but does that mean ALL 4 are guilty? Not necessarily and that's what I'm saying, let the court sort it out and then lock up the guilty.

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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    It doesn't really matter to the faithful dweebs. They're loyal to their party, not to the process that ensures our liberty and freedom. Don't all of you people who demand integrity and honesty have something better to do?
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    Re: 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, charges have been levied, but guilt has not been determined. Don't let that stop your hyper partisan behavior though.
    And which behavior is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree. The evidence is there. Charge them, and if convicted, lock them up and throw away the key.
    And if the fraud perpetrated elected someone who would not have won otherwise? What do you do with them....?
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