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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Unless they knew otherwise. You can't blame the guards for not knowing otherwise. The court only decided that for this reason, the guards acted within their authority.
    Well said.

    I'll post a part of the dissenting opinion:


    Justice Stephen G. Breyer, writing for the four dissenters, said the strip-searches the majority allowed were “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy” and should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

    Justice Breyer said that the Fourth Amendment should be understood to bar strip-searches of people arrested for minor offenses not involving drugs or violence, unless officials had a reasonable suspicion that they were carrying contraband.

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    I agree and think that an overdue fine isn't reasonable suspicion for that kind of invasion of privacy much less a false accusation of an overdue fine.
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    Re: High court upholds jailhouse strip searches(edited)

    There can always be "reasonable suspicion" if you want it bad enough.

    I would be a bit more careful in the jail house setting but in the big house, bend 'em over and run forceps up their ass. I don't care.

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    Re: High court upholds jailhouse strip searches(edited)

    I couldn't be a traffic cop nor a detective. I think many of the regulatory and minor laws are just BS and the fines/punishments worse. Not all of course. Plus there is a real potential that in uniform I would have one of my extreme violent outbursts against a child abuser or severe woman beater.

    There is a plus to being a backwoods fish and wildlife supervisor in remote areas, though plenty of people. All the power of a trooper if I want, but don't have to.

    I essentially never write a ticket and even less often arrest someone. If I feel something has to be done, usually I will give the person an alternative self-imposed punishment to inflict on him/herself OR if not, then I will go the law-route.

    For example if I see someone tearing across a slow zone in their boat or PWC, too much to be allowed, I will probably give the choice between a ticket (very costly) OR - at the person's choice - they can pour a quart of salt water into their fuel tank with the motor(s) running. They'll always pick that one, asking then how will they get to shore? Not my decision I'll explain, though I advise against swimming because they're in bull shark water.

    Or one of the crotch rocket bikers doing 100 mph on the curving roads in a 45. I could write a 20+ ticket OR - if he prefers - he can use my pocket knife and cut his plug wires - explaining it also his choice whether to leave it here and walk, wait for someone to pick him up or push it the miles back - explaining if he leaves it probably someone will steal it.

    Or if shooting illegal game I could impound his gun, vehicle, arrest him and take him to jail OR if he prefers - he can walk out to the center of a nearby sawgrass marsh until I say stop, stay there 15 minutes until I shout again and come back. He'll take that one - through the ticks, spiders, remote chance of a hog or gator and a certainty for that 45 minutes of struggling out there and back he'll be slapping himself in the face for the million mosquitos on him (I call it the "Skitter Slap Dance.") If is a bit more serious, he also my have to throw if rifle/shotgun in one of those mucky holes no one dare swim in - though I suppose he could drag in some little inflatable to try to fish it out.

    Its not uncommon for me to seemingly come out of nowhere telling one in a group of hunters - they startled - "That's a sharp looking AR15. Give it to me." He'll say, "Why, are you taking it?" Response, "Give me that god damn rifle, give it to me now or I'll beat the s..t out of you and take it anyway" as I approach, then just grabbing it with "gimme it! What the hell's wrong with you?"

    I ask people "what the hell's wrong with you?" fairly often.

    Big crimes? I don't really deal with those. A very few felony arrests. They joke the closest think I have to a Miranda warning is "Sit down, shut up and no one gets hurt" - but I dont' interrogate then either. I

    I suppose in the country someone like me can get away with backwoods justice. But often I'm dealing with backwoods type people and they respect that kind of law. Urban cops, cops in large departments etc have to act according to gobs of rules. Backwoods law is more like Andy Griffith but with a quick kick-ass mannerish when appropriate.

    Doing a strip search on a guy because of an unpaid ticket? That's not even a conviction. Because of the 1 in 10,000 or less chance he happened to have drugs in a condom shoved up his ass? For that, humilate and degrade everyone no manner how minor or mistaken on a piss-ass unpaid ticket?

    I don't like it when law enforcement gets extreme rights over citizens on platitudes beyond what rights citizens get that are similar. Do citizens have a right to demand a strip search of officers before they search his car or house to make certain they are planting drugs? No. But that does happen. Rare, but happens, like its rare someone arrested on an unresolved ticket has something shoved up his butt or in his mouth when arrested.

    Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. But then maybe things have to be different in the mass of large cities.

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    Re: High court upholds jailhouse strip searches(edited)

    Jon Stewart had a good bit tonight on this issue. It's not posted on the net just yet though.
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    Re: High court upholds jailhouse strip searches(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Jon Stewart had a good bit tonight on this issue. It's not posted on the net just yet though.
    I'll be watching for it.

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    Re: High court upholds jailhouse strip searches(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'll be watching for it.
    Also check out Jon Stewart's interview. It's on topic rather well to. They guy they arrested and strip-searched got totally ****ed too.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    First, Franklin's quote has nothing to do with this case. He was referring to laws that restrict freedom to gain security.

    Second, this guy was accused of a violation and arrested. His strip search was part of the effort of the guards to prevent dangerous weapons, drugs and other contraband from entering the prison system. The fact that he was wrongly accused does not negate the need to keep contraband from the prison population.
    I think this case was about the county jails, not prison.

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well said.

    I'll post a part of the dissenting opinion:


    Justice Stephen G. Breyer, writing for the four dissenters, said the strip-searches the majority allowed were “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy” and should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

    Justice Breyer said that the Fourth Amendment should be understood to bar strip-searches of people arrested for minor offenses not involving drugs or violence, unless officials had a reasonable suspicion that they were carrying contraband.

    link...


    I agree and think that an overdue fine isn't reasonable suspicion for that kind of invasion of privacy much less a false accusation of an overdue fine.
    I'm sure that's not the only reason why they stripped search him.

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Until it happens to you I'm sure you'll feel that way. I'd rather stand for something when its wrong even BEFORE it happens to me.
    But Kennedy focused on the fact that Florence was held with other inmates in the general population.

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    I've been detained nine times and never strip searched. The last time was in 1991. I guess it's different now. I'd better walk the line.

    Added: It would be very difficult to not cut the cheese at the right moment. The added ASSault charge wouldn't be worth it.
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