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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Do you think police are capable of pulling people off the streets, bringing them to jail, and strip searching them without having to actually tell someone about and for what reason they're doing it?
    That's kind of what this lawsuit was about.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That's kind of what this lawsuit was about.
    So you do believe that?

    In which case you're mistaken. A policeman who pulls people off the street to "get a peek" isn't going to be a police officer long, and will most likely be getting peeked at themselves afterwords.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So much for conservative values from our uber right wing 5 in the SCOTUS.

    High court upholds jailhouse strip searches

    In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against a New Jersey man who was strip searched in two county jails following his arrest on a warrant for an unpaid fine that he had, in reality, paid.

    The decision resolved a conflict among lower courts about how to balance security and privacy. Prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, lower courts generally prohibited routine strip searches for minor offenses. In recent years, however, courts have allowed jailers more discretion to maintain security, and the high court ruling ratified those decisions.

    In this case, Albert Florence's nightmare began when the sport utility vehicle driven by his pregnant wife was pulled over for speeding. He was a passenger; his 4-year-old son was in the backseat.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy said the circumstances of the arrest were of little importance. Instead, Kennedy said, Florence's entry into the general jail population gave guards the authorization to force him to strip naked and expose his mouth, nose, ears and genitals to a visual search in case he was hiding anything.

    This is where libertarians and I get along just fine in agreeing that the GOP believes that privacy is not a value of any kind for Americans because Republicans are too scared and IMO, this makes them too scared to run the country.

    Ben Franklin was right. We gotta get these activist cowards out of the Judicial system. They always side with authority over the people.
    I agree with the court's ruling. Whenever anyone is under arrest and entering into the general prison/jail population, the idea that they should not be strip-searched to make sure they don't have drugs or weapons is too risky.

    Maybe what he should have (perhaps rightly) protested is the idea that he would be locked up in jail for a warrant issued for a ticket he'd already paid. That? I'd be on his side.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Which is exactly what this ruling is about.



    I see, all "accused" right or wrong are subject to whatever perversions the authority throws at them. You keep putting your faith in authority. I'll keep my faith with the people.
    With all due respect, once someone enters the jail system, he belongs to the jailers. It is routine for jail guards to do strip searches in order to prevent contraband from running amok. When I was convicted of my DWI, I had to do 3 days in the Harris County Jail. I was strip searched twice during my short stay there, and also drug tested once. I respect the constitution, but once you are in jail, you abide by THEIR rules, which I feel are Constitutional. Now if a guard bangs someone's head against a wall, or otherwise roughs him up, then he has violated a prisoner's constitutional rights. But a strip search is lawful, and of course is done for a reasonable purpose, which makes it lawful.

    Here's the deal. If the prisoner doesn't want to get caught with dope inside a jail, he shouldn't bring dope to the jail. Simple as that. Turns out that it's the prisoner who is the dope in this case.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    i've been arrested .. oh, i dunno... 24 times i think.. maybe 25... possibly 26.... a whole bunch of times is the point.

    not once while I was in custody in the jailhouse was I not subjected to a strip search.

    only one of my charges was serious... the rest were minor bull**** (this was back when bar-fights didn't screw you up for the rest of your life. and neither did getting **** faced falling down drunk).


    I understand why I was searched, and to be honest, i'm glad everyone was searched.

    sure, it's uncomfortable... well not for me, but for the poor cop who probably isn't paid enough to look as brown-eyes and nutsacks all days long... but it is necessary.

    you want to see fear.. check out the face of some young suburban kid getting arrested for something stupid.. check out how he acts when he's in a holding cell with some badass hombres.... the only thing keeping him from pissing his pants is that his bladder is froze up in fear too.
    you really don't want this kid in a cell with some gangbangers that are kiestering shanks



    so, yeah, i got nothing negative to say about strip searches after you get thrown in to jail... they are necessary...

    if we were talking about searching before you are in custody, well, we'd have an entirely different conversation on our hands. ( remember, first comes detention, then arrest, then custody... your rights change with each step)

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How did you tie SCOTUS to Republicans again? I missed that part.
    That was great. Short, sweet and to the point.

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Extremely stupid straw man there. I never said anything like that at all. Jail =/= prison. One is for guilty people and one is for detaining people who were recently arrested. This person was wrongfully detained for not paying parking tickets, when he had paid them, and stripped searched. Ridiculous.

    Let's see how supportive people are of this when some punk-assed 20 year old starts pulling pretty mothers and daughters over and books them for a peak. You have far too much trust in authority. But you are a modern conservative so always siding with authority is to be expected.
    jail and prison are the exact same in one very key aspect... in both places, you are in custody.

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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Sorry. Not going to educate you on who appointed the SCOTUS' and how their rulings have been rather consistently partisan.
    So Ginsberg is a Republican? Educate us on that.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So Ginsberg is a Republican? Educate us on that.
    Never said she was. 5-4 split. 5 conservatives. Of course you knew that and insist on trolling I suppose.
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    Re: Fear rules the right wing SCOTUS

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So much for conservative values from our uber right wing 5 in the SCOTUS.


    High court upholds jailhouse strip searches

    In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against a New Jersey man who was strip searched in two county jails following his arrest on a warrant for an unpaid fine that he had, in reality, paid.

    The decision resolved a conflict among lower courts about how to balance security and privacy. Prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, lower courts generally prohibited routine strip searches for minor offenses. In recent years, however, courts have allowed jailers more discretion to maintain security, and the high court ruling ratified those decisions.

    In this case, Albert Florence's nightmare began when the sport utility vehicle driven by his pregnant wife was pulled over for speeding. He was a passenger; his 4-year-old son was in the backseat.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy said the circumstances of the arrest were of little importance. Instead, Kennedy said, Florence's entry into the general jail population gave guards the authorization to force him to strip naked and expose his mouth, nose, ears and genitals to a visual search in case he was hiding anything.


    This is where libertarians and I get along just fine in agreeing that the GOP believes that privacy is not a value of any kind for Americans because Republicans are too scared and IMO, this makes them too scared to run the country.

    Ben Franklin was right. We gotta get these activist cowards out of the Judicial system. They always side with authority over the people.

    just curious-do you believe people buying firearms should have to fill out a form 4473 and provide ID and submit to a background check?

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