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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Obama looked very upset when he said this, I think he knows the supremes are going to vote down his insane law , he may even have inside info on that they already have.

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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You're being selective in your reasoning. You're focusing on a few quotes relating to his healthcare debate and ignore, 12 YEARS of teaching Constitutional law.
    I have had many professors over the years, at different points. Many of them taught the same subject for a lot longer than 12 years. To be honest, some of them where possibly the least intelligent human beings I have ever met. Teaching does not mean you understand, nor does it give a blank check of credibility. Let me read some of his lectures, or watch videos of them. Let me see transcripts so I know what classes he took and how he did, let me read papers he wrote both as a student and as a professor so I can see what he said about constitutional matters.

    And sorry for missing that second point, yes I would defend GWB if he was in this situation.
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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    My prediction? SCOTUS will uphold all of it, except the individual mandate. This will effectively kill most of it, because there will be no way to practically implement it. I suggest that Congress go back to the drawing board and come up with something that is Constitutional, and not a half trillion dollar transfer of wealth from ordinary Americans to insurance corporations.

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    The law can easily pass the constitution sniff test, it just won't. What will happen is the mandate will be ruled unconstitutional but the court, it its majority and resenting opinion will say Singel payer is constitutional and two different versions of Snell payer will come out as a result. One where the gov trite to control all cost with a separate private market (dems) and one of tax credits and penalties with various regulations that are currently in tl Congresscare and some others which will give insurance companies more leeway (repub)). Both will work equally well.
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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He shouldn't count his chickens before they are hatched.
    Neither should you:

    Obamacare and Supreme Court: Conservatives should be careful about celebrating the end of the Affordable Care Act. - Slate Magazine

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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    If is interesting that we have politicians that will work on or pass a Bill that ends up being unconstitutional. Maybe our elected officlas should check before they act. It could save time and money.

    Not to derail the thread, but I have one for our President. In Arizona SB1070 (a illegal immigration bill), and similar bills in other States were passed/approved by elected officials. Yet, the DOJ has taken the State to court over the bill being unconstitutional or not within State authority. So President Obama doesn't want to see if the Health Care law is legal by the SC. If SCOTUS strikes it down its judicial activism according to Obama. Yet, if a State passes a law he doesn't like, he wants the Federal Courts to strike the law because its unconstitutional.

    No politics being played here by this administration.
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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    If is interesting that we have politicians that will work on or pass a Bill that ends up being unconstitutional. Maybe our elected officlas should check before they act. It could save time and money.
    I could say the same thing for the literally hundreds of unconstitutional abortion bills that are filed across the country every year. The difference is that in many of those cases, the bills are CLEARLY unconstitional.

    While the SC could strike down the mandate, recall that when it was passed, and as recently as last week, a majority of constitional law scholars said that the mandate was constitutional.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I have had many professors over the years, at different points. Many of them taught the same subject for a lot longer than 12 years. To be honest, some of them where possibly the least intelligent human beings I have ever met. Teaching does not mean you understand, nor does it give a blank check of credibility. Let me read some of his lectures, or watch videos of them. Let me see transcripts so I know what classes he took and how he did, let me read papers he wrote both as a student and as a professor so I can see what he said about constitutional matters.

    Thanks.
    Ok then why haven't you done that? I'm sure they exist seeing as how he's President of the United States, again you're being selective in your reasoning. You've made an assumption about him based on "some" as you put it of your professors, which I take to mean and some others weren't stupid in your opinion, so you've assumed he falls into the bad category. You've also used the same line of reasoning to justify the first one, just because you don't think he's credible doesn't mean anything if you don't have credentials in that subject to back it up. So for example in college you had professors A, B, and C you thought were lacking so what are your credentials in the subjects they taught to make someone like myself or anyone value your opinion on the subject material over theirs?

    And secondly, if reading his lectures or papers would let you know if he's well versed enough to have an opinion on the Constitutionality of something. Then why haven't you done that? If you say you don't have enough information to make an opinion, ie "I don't know because I haven't read his transcripts etc" then why are you A) assuming he's not smart enough and B) haven't read them?

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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ok then why haven't you done that?
    Has any of it been made available? If so, where?

    And secondly, if reading his lectures or papers would let you know if he's well versed enough to have an opinion on the Constitutionality of something. Then why haven't you done that? If you say you don't have enough information to make an opinion, ie "I don't know because I haven't read his transcripts etc" then why are you A) assuming he's not smart enough and B) haven't read them?
    To repeat my answer to your repeated question: Is any of it available? If so please let us know where we can get them.
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    Re: Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law

    The President essentially said that if the Supremes don't agree with him, they're guilty of "judicial activism."

    I'll be interested in what constitutional law experts say about this claim. I'm no law scholar...but I'm not sure that the President understand the function of "checks and balances" in our Constitution either.

    And I do think he has overplayed his hand here. Obama may/may not be in office next year...but SCOTUS will be. This makes twice I know of where he's gone after the Court. I'm sure somebody's underclerk of a clerk has leaked to the Admin. His referring dismissively to SCOTUS as an "unelected group of people" wasn't very smart.

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