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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

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    Speaking to partisan attitudes. Let's see, there's a shooting by a Korean student in a Christian college started by a Korean. Why would the students of a small Christian college be anything but Christian, and why is the Korean killer not presumed to be neither a student nor Christian?
    Honestly don't know. Viewing it as a tragedy, I'm not poring too deeply into what the details are, or planning to use them as a political tool.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    How about we all leave the politics out of it and focus on the situation at hand? Just askin'.
    What would be a solution to this problem, because it IS a problem. This is not the Zimmerman case so let's try to not bring that one in. This is a school shooting...again.

    It could be a post office. Or a business office. How do we stop this?

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

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    How about we all leave the politics out of it and focus on the situation at hand? Just askin'.
    What would be a solution to this problem, because it IS a problem. This is not the Zimmerman case so let's try to not bring that one in. This is a school shooting...again. How do we stop this?
    Ahhh, cooler heads prevail. Ha!

    I think there should be a protocol for identifying these at-risk students, if that's possible. Sometimes it seems bullying is the trigger. Other times? Well, I don't know, actually. But maybe that's what we really desperately need to find out. I also don't think they're acting in a vacuum. There's warning signs...threats...promises. To their friends...on social network sites...etc. Maybe we all need to be enlightened as to what to watch out for -- and, when we perceive a problem, be taught what to do about it -- who to report it to...how it'll be handled, etc.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Thanks for the links, Tim. Five years ago. Maybe it's time for more to bring these shootings front-and-center.
    What more do you think Congress can do in situations like mass shootings in schools/on campuses? If someone, seemingly normal to people he/she encounters daily, flies off the deep end and is bent on causing harm to others by planning and carrying out a mass shooting spree on a college campus, what do you think would have been the best way to prevent he/she from doing it?

    One of the sad paradigms of school violence is that you can be 100% prepared and educated on being aware of signs and how to behave in a situation as such but it still happens. As cynical as it sounds, a lot of people need to realize that our government can spend all the billions and educate every child in every public school about the risks/prevention methods and yes, that may make these tragedies less likely. But it will not prevent this from ever happening again because, frankly, nothing will.

    Also, I don't know how old everyone is on here but...when I was in high school in the early 2000s we had a number of activities from schoolwide assemblies to in-class discussions/education relating to prevention of school violence, what do if something like this happens when you're in school, and how to recognize signs that someone is at risk to commit violent behavior. I think this is a great thing but, again it may be cynical, I don't think there really is anything else we can do other than post a police officer in every classroom in America.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    It could be a post office. Or a business office. How do we stop this?
    Not sure about highschool, but colleges should allow schoolmates to own guns.

    If I were at the school and had my gun on me, and saw such a disturbance, I'd aim for his torso and end it.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by GoTim1985 View Post
    What more do you think Congress can do in situations like mass shootings in schools/on campuses? If someone, seemingly normal to people he/she encounters daily, flies off the deep end and is bent on causing harm to others by planning and carrying out a mass shooting spree on a college campus, what do you think would have been the best way to prevent he/she from doing it?

    One of the sad paradigms of school violence is that you can be 100% prepared and educated on being aware of signs and how to behave in a situation as such but it still happens. As cynical as it sounds, a lot of people need to realize that our government can spend all the billions and educate every child in every public school about the risks/prevention methods and yes, that may make these things more rare. But it will not prevent this from ever happening again because, frankly, nothing will.
    I'm not sure nothing can be done, though I understand anyone who thinks it's a tough problem. If you read my post above yours, you'll see that I think most of these people send out signals of one sort or another. I mean, let's face it, these people have a problem. One that could be addressed, at an early-enough stage, by counseling perhaps.

    We're doing that with bullying now. And with domestic violence. "Here's what to watch out for" kinds of things. Seems like if we put school violence front and center, we could do the same thing with kids killing kids in school.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    How about we all leave the politics out of it and focus on the situation at hand? Just askin'.
    What would be a solution to this problem, because it IS a problem. This is not the Zimmerman case so let's try to not bring that one in. This is a school shooting...again.

    It could be a post office. Or a business office. How do we stop this?
    unfortunately, we don't.

    it's an engrained mentality in society... it's guaranteed infamy...it's a guaranteed media frenzy with ends with that persons 15minutes of fame..... gunning folks down when you have a problem with them is "gangsta", thus "cool"

    the worst that happens ( in most states) is a guaranteed 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their life....
    an effective deterrent is unacceptable to reasonable ,civil people ( we don't want to become that which we hate)

    so yeah, we are pretty much stuck with these types of tragedies... but they'll die out in time, hopefully.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    On a tv show last night, I watched a program about bullying. The Phoebe Snow situation. She was bullied until she hung herself. But she also had some mental issues. However, the teachers and staff didn't seem concerned.

    Perhaps any public place where this can happen by a disgruntled fruitcake that got hold of a gun is for all such places have machines one has to pass to enter such establishments. Which would cost a ton of money and most would complain about it.

    Awareness doesn't seem to be working in the case of school staff. Teachers have so much already on their minds...adding shrink capabilities seems to be adding to the burden.
    Does anyone know if the people killed today were children or teens or were they all adults?

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Ahhh, cooler heads prevail. Ha!

    I think there should be a protocol for identifying these at-risk students, if that's possible. Sometimes it seems bullying is the trigger. Other times? Well, I don't know, actually. But maybe that's what we really desperately need to find out. I also don't think they're acting in a vacuum. There's warning signs...threats...promises. To their friends...on social network sites...etc. Maybe we all need to be enlightened as to what to watch out for -- and, when we perceive a problem, be taught what to do about it -- who to report it to...how it'll be handled, etc.
    A common thread flowing throughout many school shootings is months or years of noted mental disturbance, without anyone taking any action.

    I do not know if that is the case for this particular shooting. But it was the case with most school shootings in the last decade, and several other shootings, including the Tucson shooting last winter. This has already come into the open at Congressional hearings and other outlets.

    We don't need another Congressional hearing. We know what causes most of these shootings. We need to actually ADDRESS the problem that has already been identified over and over and over again. That requires feet on the ground, better reporting, and more accessible mental health resources. Congress can't do that by itself. It certainly can't do that by holding more hearings.

    How many times do we need to re-state the problem before anyone does anything about it?

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure nothing can be done, though I understand anyone who thinks it's a tough problem. If you read my post above yours, you'll see that I think most of these people send out signals of one sort or another. I mean, let's face it, these people have a problem. One that could be addressed, at an early-enough stage, by counseling perhaps.
    We're doing that with bullying now. And with domestic violence. "Here's what to watch out for" kinds of things. Seems like if we put school violence front and center, we could do the same thing with kids killing kids in school.
    I agree with you but also acknowledge that a lot of schools already have (and have had, for a long time) programs to aid students in violence-prevention and emotional-social skills development. This will help several students learn to cope whom otherwise couldn't but it's not going to prevent violent acts towards others in school 100% of the time. Anti-bullying programs are fantastic and teach kids a lot more about bullying and being bullied than I learned when I was young. There are still bullies in school and probably always will be. How long has domestic violence prevention been an issue at the forefront of American society? Decades, it seems. How many organizations and programs are there dedicated to preventing it and helping those who have suffered? Countless. Does it still happen? Yes. There's a lot that can be done but nothing that will cause the problem to go extinct.

    If anything, I think the focus on social-emotional skills development is probably what should be stressed the most, especially in the younger levels.
    Last edited by GoTim1985; 04-02-12 at 09:03 PM.
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