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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Hell Hound-
    I am not too worried about expressing my views on gun rights,control and carry. I have noticed that when people maintain an even strain all goes well. You said you went to war? Where and what unit? We might know some of the same swinging richards...

    Ockham-
    I agree a forlorn hope is better than no hope but quite frankly CCW is more for the peace of mind of the carrier than the world at large. What I was addressing is the typical wag sitting there saying, "If I was there with my GUN, that sh*t woulda been over pretty damn quick, I tell ya what!" I used to work at a Tactical School and the quick exercise to show what stress does to marksmanship had me convinced most barns and their sides would be safe. Not being mean, just frank.

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    I went back and read your post claiming shootings. You need to go back and check your 'facts'. You cite TOTAL deaths as shooting deaths. I picked the highest one, the 2009-2010 school year as an example. There were 7 not 11 shooting deaths.

    A 15yo pregnant girl was shot and killed at a bus stop, so it was counted, a 36yo also also suspected of raping her, his adopted sister, was held for the crime.

    16yo was shot walking home from school, gangs are suspected.

    16yo shot by a human resource officer after the student stabbed him.

    16yo honors student was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs after the homecoming game.

    Woman shot at bus stop infront of her kids by her boyfriend, he later shot himself.

    School police officer shoots a 28yo near an alternative school while attempting to break up a fight

    43 ya woman shot and killed near an elementary school playground after she refused to put down her meat cleaver. She had apparently had been cutting herself with it.

    So there are your 7 not 11 shooting deaths, the others were 3 stabbings and one fighting.

    Of the 4 on actual school property only one was not the authorities either under attack or breaking up an attack. Only the honor student shot in a gang bang shootout out in the parking lot of the football stadium comes close to similar to the VT or Oakland shootings.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Just stop.... Seriously... You have no business speaking.
    is this what you consider intelligent & mature debating?

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You provided no insight on the story other than suggesting that congress should look into it. If people wish to comment on the motives of your request, the legitimacy of the request, or the idea of such a request in relation to the action that occured then they are discussing the topic YOU presented in the OP. YOU chose to be exploitative and attempt to capitalize on the deaths of others to push your own political issues with the Trayvon Martin case, and if people disagree with doing such a thing or using this horrific incident to do such, YOU have to deal with it just like anyone else that makes a disgusting political point has to deal with people disagreeing with them about it
    I made no political point. Zyphlin, much LESS a disgusting one. You're guilty of resurrecting something that was buried. Good for you Nice job!!

    When someone says, **** you and **** you and **** ya'll, that's over the top. The fact that you don't recognize this? That's you're problem. Get off my case, Zyphlin. It's over. It's done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    is this what you consider intelligent & mature debating?
    Shush now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Hell Hound-
    I am not too worried about expressing my views on gun rights,control and carry. I have noticed that when people maintain an even strain all goes well. You said you went to war? Where and what unit? We might know some of the same swinging richards...

    Ockham-
    I agree a forlorn hope is better than no hope but quite frankly CCW is more for the peace of mind of the carrier than the world at large. What I was addressing is the typical wag sitting there saying, "If I was there with my GUN, that sh*t woulda been over pretty damn quick, I tell ya what!" I used to work at a Tactical School and the quick exercise to show what stress does to marksmanship had me convinced most barns and their sides would be safe. Not being mean, just frank.

    Muciti-
    I went back and read your post claiming shootings. You need to go back and check your 'facts'. You cite TOTAL deaths as shooting deaths. I picked the highest one, the 2009-2010 school year as an example. There were 7 not 11 shooting deaths.

    A 15yo pregnant girl was shot and killed at a bus stop, so it was counted, a 36yo also also suspected of raping her, his adopted sister, was held for the crime.

    16yo was shot walking home from school, gangs are suspected.

    16yo shot by a human resource officer after the student stabbed him.

    16yo honors student was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs after the homecoming game.

    Woman shot at bus stop infront of her kids by her boyfriend, he later shot himself.

    School police officer shoots a 28yo near an alternative school while attempting to break up a fight

    43 ya woman shot and killed near an elementary school playground after she refused to put down her meat cleaver. She had apparently had been cutting herself with it.

    So there are your 7 not 11 shooting deaths, the others were 3 stabbings and one fighting.

    Of the 4 on actual school property only one was not the authorities either under attack or breaking up an attack. Only the honor student shot in a gang bang shootout out in the parking lot of the football stadium comes close to similar to the VT or Oakland shootings.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good thing you guys are above using a ****ing tragedy to score cheap ****ing political points. It's good to know there are no depths some people will not ****ing stoop to. Keep up the good work.
    You mean it's not time for even more gun control laws?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This is not the wild wild west movies. We are also not talking about a tactical murderer here, using military training, cover and movement to kill people. Of the little interviews I've seen in the news reports, the guy stood straight up and it was reported "calmly shot at targets". Granted, you have a point that under stress, shooting a handgun for those not used to doing such a thing in a life & death environment does effect accuracy. Yet, I'd certainly be willing to have a small chance to stop a deranged shooter in a school vs. no chance.
    You are correct, the other poster's comments are devoid of tactical awareness or training in this issue

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean it's not time for even more gun control laws?
    If I were for more gun laws(I am not), I think I would time it a little better.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're playing a game of gotcha', Redress. Frankly, that sucks. Comment on the post or move along. I'm defending myself from a RIDICULOUS attack by YOU. I would have thought you would be above that.

    I'll repeat: Where is Congress on this issue? Where are the hearings? School shootings/mass murder that's become epidemic is surely as important as any other hearings they could hold.

    Oh, and by the way, Redress, in case you've forgotten, Congress is made up of, wait!for!it!, Dems and Reps. Partisan my lily white ass.
    They'll be along soon enough. Wait until the Martin shooting runs out of gas; which will probably happen sooner than expected, so they can crawl all over this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If I were for more gun laws(I am not), I think I would time it a little better.
    When would be a better time?

    I'm with Maggie on this one; we never see you complain when a Libbo posts something like this. Why is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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