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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Perhaps. Do you have a link to a story describing the events the way you reported them?


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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    In other words, you fabricated your version of events in order to try to make a point?

    You wrote: "This shooter apparently said "line up, I am going to kill you all"....shot these people then left, reloaded and came back...."

    The story you cited said: "The gunman entered the classroom and ordered students to line up against the wall. When he showed his gun, students began running and he opened fire, her family said."

    Unbelievable.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    In other words, you fabricated your version of events in order to try to make a point?

    You wrote: "This shooter apparently said "line up, I am going to kill you all"....shot these people then left, reloaded and came back...."

    The story you cited said: "The gunman entered the classroom and ordered students to line up against the wall. When he showed his gun, students began running and he opened fire, her family said."

    Unbelievable.

    oh took the woman into the classroom, but when he realized the administrator was not there, he shot the secretary and ordered the students to line up against the wall. Not all of them cooperated, Jordan said, and so he began shooting.
    "I'm going to kill you all," the gunman said, according to CNN affiliate KTLA.
    "This was a calculated, cold-blooded execution in the classroom," Jordan said. The suspect "just felt a certain urge to inflict pain on them," he said.
    After the shooting, the man left the classroom, reloaded his semiautomatic weapon and returned, firing into several classrooms, Jordan said.

    Police: California shooting suspect shows no remorse - CNN.com


    Would you like to amend your commentary and retract your statement that I fabricated anything? thanks.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'd say the reason for the different reactions to the two situations is that the two situations are completely different. Or have I missed a news update? Did the police release the shooter? Is he claiming self defense? Is there a law involved that arguably gave the shooter the right to kill seven people?
    The problem is that this is a real issue taking place over many years in our country that is being ignored because it doesnt help any one politically. The martin case is being publicized and commented on by and exploited by every politician that can get in front of a camera to exploit it even though NHW captains shooting an assaulting teenager in self defense is a relatively low occurance. People are upset largely because Martin is black. If he isnt black this isnt even a news story. Politicians dont give a crap about these school shooting and I want to know why! If a white guy had walked into a school and shot a bunch of black students there would be a media frenzy and every politician under the sun would then be exploiting it. I dont think race was involved in this. And thats probably why noone seems to give a ****.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Would you like to amend your commentary and retract your statement that I fabricated anything? thanks.
    Yes, I would like to add that your attempt to justify what you originally wrote fails miserably. Obviously you were trying to say that the students, sheeplike, lined up to be executed after they'd been told they were going to be killed. But you just made that up.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The problem is that this is a real issue taking place over many years in our country that is being ignored because it doesnt help any one politically. The martin case is being publicized and commented on by and exploited by every politician that can get in front of a camera to exploit it even though NHW captains shooting an assaulting teenager in self defense is a relatively low occurance. People are upset largely because Martin is black. If he isnt black this isnt even a news story. Politicians dont give a crap about these school shooting and I want to know why! If a white guy had walked into a school and shot a bunch of black students there would be a media frenzy and every politician under the sun would then be exploiting it. I dont think race was involved in this. And thats probably why noone seems to give a ****.
    As someone pointed out above, politicians almost always comment on these sorts of tragedies. But what would you have them do?

    The issues in the Martin case were the lack of an arrest and a controversial self defense law. Those things are actionable.
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As someone pointed out above, politicians almost always comment on these sorts of tragedies. But what would you have them do?

    The issues in the Martin case were the lack of an arrest and a controversial self defense law. Those things are actionable.
    Right, so until the democratic leadership tells you its ok to support taking action to prevent these types of shootings, which again are occurring more and more each year, then you dont think anything should be done about them.

    Also how is self defense controversial? Do you really think people should just roll over and die when someone decides to beat them to death?
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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Right, so until the democratic leadership tells you its ok to support taking action to prevent these types of shootings, which again are occurring more and more each year, then you dont think anything should be done about them.

    Also how is self defense controversial? Do you really think people should just roll over and die when someone decides to beat them to death?
    I don't think self defense is controversial. I also don't think an armed student body will be any better. Increasing the likelihood of danger doesn't really help IMHO.

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Side not: this shooter is Asian. The VT shooter was Asian. There was one more, I forgot the event.

    what's going on? is this just coincidence..or is this a reflection of the extreme pressure being put on Asian kids to do well in school...and some just loosing it?

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    Re: 5 dead, suspect in custody in classroom shooting at Oikos University in Californi

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Side not: this shooter is Asian. The VT shooter was Asian. There was one more, I forgot the event.

    what's going on? is this just coincidence..or is this a reflection of the extreme pressure being put on Asian kids to do well in school...and some just loosing it?
    Maybe. I would love to someone examine that possibility. But I suspect it's more complicated than that.

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