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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hey, did y'all hear Obama's latest comment?

    "We liberals stand for causes that are too important to allow unelected judges to force their own biases on an unwilling nation."
    What do you think about that?!












    Now what do you think when I tell you that it was actually Mitt Romney who said it -- except of course using "conservatives" in place of "liberals"?
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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He's addicted to tingle... can't get to sleep without it. His sleep literally depends upon Obama staying President ...
    I was being sarcastic, as was the post I replied to. I assumed that everybody thought that Chris Matthews's comment made him look ridiculous.
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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Go to the 5:50 mark.

    Obviously if Obama said something like that conservatives would be bouncing off the walls.
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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The supreme court was never intended or granted powers to strike down laws made by ELECTED officials. Conservatives always want to rant and rave about our founding fathers and the powers they intended for our gov't yet when there are clear deviations from those intended powers that benefit them, they always make excuses for it. It wasn't until under Marshall, the Court established the principle of judicial review, including specifying itself as the supreme expositor of the Constitution.

    The supreme court is only intended to be the highest court of law in cases that involve state and federal law. It was never intended to warp and manipulate and ultimately decide what the constitution means.
    I also bring that up whenever a Conservative law is being overruled by the unConstitutional power of judicial review. In a predatory power grab, Marshall and his court interpreted the Constitution as giving them the right to interpret the Constitution. That is as illogical as, "God wouldn't let people believe in Him if He didn't exist," cheating by using the desired conclusion as part of the proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    I also bring that up whenever a Conservative law is being overruled by the unConstitutional power of judicial review. In a predatory power grab, Marshall and his court interpreted the Constitution as giving them the right to interpret the Constitution. That is as illogical as, "God wouldn't let people believe in Him if He didn't exist," cheating by using the desired conclusion as part of the proof.
    I don't think its the type of petitio principii you're suggesting. Our Constitution has to give something the power to interpret laws and whether real world events and issues are within them or violate them. You're saying the social contract can't delegate a power to interpret the social contract.

    "Interpret" should not have come to suggest "power over," or "power to change as it sees fit," but that's what we have--a Court that won't go so far as to admit anything is necessarily unconstitutional. The problem is that some SCOTUS interpretations have effectively changed the Constitution without going through an amendment process. They have a real opportunity here to once again check and balance the other branches as they were meant to.

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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post


    Go to the 5:50 mark.

    Obviously if Obama said something like that conservatives would be bouncing off the walls.

    I have not seen this before. Thank you.

    So now we all know that both candidates are capable of making ridiculous statements that go against the Constitution and the checks and balances set therein.
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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I don't think its the type of petitio principii you're suggesting. Our Constitution has to give something the power to interpret laws and whether real world events and issues are within them or violate them. You're saying the social contract can't delegate a power to interpret the social contract.

    "Interpret" should not have come to suggest "power over," or "power to change as it sees fit," but that's what we have--a Court that won't go so far as to admit anything is necessarily unconstitutional. The problem is that some SCOTUS interpretations have effectively changed the Constitution without going through an amendment process. They have a real opportunity here to once again check and balance the other branches as they were meant to.
    It is enough to give the people, the Congress, and the President the right to interpret the Constitution. It is even better for them to give actual reasons rather than just referring to this vague and shallow document, e.g., that Obamacare will bankrupt us or make us too dependent on the government, etc. Constitutionalists are trying to repeat the medieval mistake of letting the Vatican have the power to interpret the Bible rather than allowing the self-government of believers to commune directly with God through their own sacred document, which was first proposed in the Reformation. Obviously, the Constitution did not delegate the Supreme Court or else that body would have been appealed to starting 12 years before it appointed itself to be the Vatican of America. This usurpation is not a balancing check; it is really just another outside power grab over us, the people. "The Supreme Court lets us govern ourselves correctly by telling us which of our laws they won't let us enforce."

    Just because shallow logician servants of power don't dare give "interpreting the Constitution as giving them the right to interpret the Constitution" as an example of Begging the Question doesn't mean it's logical. These are the same ilk of acadummies who would believe that Begging the Question means "which brings up the question" if they hadn't specialized in Logic.
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    Re: Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I would be nice if our all powerful SCOTUS were truly non-partisan. Unfortunately, this is not at all the case. 4 right-winger, 4 left-wingers and only one, slightly right judge making all the decisions. I must say that this court truly should have been Meritocracy based. We're lucky that it's even closed to balanced.
    This is the real problem with the SCOTUS currently. It's become a partisan hackfest.
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