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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    The legal definition of "unreasonable" is not yours a assume. However, I think most would agree that simple the speaking of any foreign language would not be reasonable. What is reasonable and is not is something which should be dictated by common sense, rather than some application of self-righteous or moral principle which is far more subjective. While walking down a street, people have a mechanism which is imbedded in the instinct of survival which observes and analyzes every animate object that we pass. Those actions of a "reasonable" person should apply rather than the politically correct who assume themselves to be the arbitrators of morality.
    Does being anti-politically correct make you an arbitrator of morality?

    1. Arizona law forbids racial profiling.
    2. Federal law forbids racial profiling.
    3. Supreme Court precedent forbids racial profiling.
    4. The Constitution forbids racial profiling.

    It is against the law. I find it strange that people who are so concerned about the legality of illegal aliens are so willing to overlook the legality of racial profiling. There is nothing that makes it legal.
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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    If illegal aliens are known to congregate in certain areas, as roadsides waiting to be hired out as day laborers, it would be very reasonable to assume that a number of those doing so are here illegally and have therefore broken the law. It would not be unreasonable to verify by asking for identification or other documentation. If you think that immigration officials should monitor employees of a federal building or a law firm as often as they do the restaurant kitchens or farm fields in an effort to round up illegal aliens in the spirit or morality or political correctness, then we most decidedly disagree.

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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Does being anti-politically correct make you an arbitrator of morality?

    1. Arizona law forbids racial profiling.
    2. Federal law forbids racial profiling.
    3. Supreme Court precedent forbids racial profiling.
    4. The Constitution forbids racial profiling.

    It is against the law. I find it strange that people who are so concerned about the legality of illegal aliens are so willing to overlook the legality of racial profiling. There is nothing that makes it legal.
    I am certainly not moralizing, I am discussing the term "unreasonable" which I believe should not be subject to arguments of morality. "Unreasonable" is simply not tantamount to "immoral", as I see it anyway.

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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I am certainly not moralizing, I am discussing the term "unreasonable" which I believe should not be subject to arguments of morality. "Unreasonable" is simply not tantamount to "immoral", as I see it anyway.
    Relying alone on a person's appearance is not reasonable grounds to develop a suspicion that someone is here unlawfully. I don't know what that has to do with morality. It is common sense.
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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Relying alone on a person's appearance is not reasonable grounds to develop a suspicion that someone is here unlawfully. I don't know what that has to do with morality. It is common sense.
    I have to agree with you on that one, appearance alone must never be grounds for police involvement.
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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    How can a person be secure in their persons, houses, papes and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures if these things are done solely on racial profiling?
    Racial profiling is reasonable.

    Also the 14th amendment which says all people in the jurisdiction of the US have the right to equal protection under the law. Racial profiling does not give equal protection under the law for those in the jurisdiction of the US.
    That's nice but you get rid of profiling and nobody will have any "protection under the law".

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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    What's next, staking out a school for people learning english to flush out the illegals?
    The Constitution is for American citizens not foreign nationals.

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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I have to agree with you on that one, appearance alone must never be grounds for police involvement.
    Appearance alone is sometimes the only "grounds for police involvement."



    Political Correctness has got you all chasing your own tail.
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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    1. Arizona law forbids racial profiling.
    2. Federal law forbids racial profiling.
    3. Supreme Court precedent forbids racial profiling.
    4. The Constitution forbids racial profiling.
    1. Arizona is bankrupt
    2. Feds are bankrupt
    3. Supreme Court is morally bankrupt
    4. Constitution says nothing of the sort

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    Re: Ariz. sheriff faces crossroads in civil rights case

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    The Constitution is for American citizens not foreign nationals.
    Yeah...because there are no Americans who might need to learn English...
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