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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    religion here and there, if you work the check-out you have to do all the work there. Nobody is forcing the kid to drink or eat pork but scanning them should not be a problem.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    religion here and there, if you work the check-out you have to do all the work there. Nobody is forcing the kid to drink or eat pork but scanning them should not be a problem.
    Apparently, the employer feels no need to force her to handle those products at all. He has chosen to make this accommodation for her.

    If the story was about her demanding this accommodation, him not choosing to grant it, and a big court fight ensuing over this dispute, then that would be one thing. We could then be having a debate, arguing over whether or not the employer ought to be compelled against his will to make the requested accommodation, or whether the employee, if she has a problem handling certain products, should not expect to work in a place where those products are sold.

    But there is no dispute. The employer and the employee came to this agreement freely. I do not see why anyone else thinks this should be a problem, except for those of a mind to want government to stick its nose into matters like this, even when there is no need for it to do so.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Apparently, the employer feels no need to force her to handle those products at all. He has chosen to make this accommodation for her.

    If the story was about her demanding this accommodation, him not choosing to grant it, and a big court fight ensuing over this dispute, then that would be one thing. We could then be having a debate, arguing over whether or not the employer ought to be compelled against his will to make the requested accommodation, or whether the employee, if she has a problem handling certain products, should not expect to work in a place where those products are sold.

    But there is no dispute. The employer and the employee came to this agreement freely. I do not see why anyone else thinks this should be a problem, except for those of a mind to want government to stick its nose into matters like this, even when there is no need for it to do so.
    I wasn't aware I wrote that I wanted the government to be involved in it. I just think it is not very economical, now this person can never handle the registry area themselves, they will always need backup from another employee just in case someone has pork in their shopping.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I wasn't aware I wrote that I wanted the government to be involved in it. I just think it is not very economical, now this person can never handle the registry area themselves, they will always need backup from another employee just in case someone has pork in their shopping.

    Well, I don't see a problem with the managers decision here. He is giving the teenage girl a chance, and that is great especially with unemployment such that it is, this young lady has a chance to work, and see that America is not the ghoulish, intolerant portrait that many of its own citizenry would like to put forth.

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Interesting contrast in Thunder's position here.

    On one hand, we have a situation in which an employer and an employee agreed to a requested accommodation for the employee's religious beliefs, which was acceptable to both parties, and which does not appear to have involved any form of coercion against either. Thunder seems to have a big problem with this.

    On the other hand, a new law that requires employers to pay for certain benefits for their employees which, to many employers, is perceived as immoral and a serious violation of their religious beliefs. Here, Thunder defends and supports the idea of using government force to compel employers to violate their deeply-held religious and moral beliefs.

    None of this really tells us anything about Thunder that we didn't already know. It's just another very good example that illustrates how repugnant the concepts of freedom and personal responsibility are to him, and how much he loves excessive use of government force against individual freedom and responsibility.
    that's pretty ironic, considering you want the govt. to throw women in prison &/or execute them for having control over their own bodies.

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Just plain WOW,
    I wandered away from this thread for a bit and came back to this?

    I figured a few 'isn't this nice' and good to see two people in different positions in life and religious belief having an easy, simple solution to a request.

    Comparing a teenager's request to not handle pork or booze with the rather contorted fight over insurance covering birth control is going a bit far afield I would think.

    I guess it is only a matter of time before tar sands and UFOs get drug into this...

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Just plain WOW,
    I wandered away from this thread for a bit and came back to this?

    I figured a few 'isn't this nice' and good to see two people in different positions in life and religious belief having an easy, simple solution to a request.

    Comparing a teenager's request to not handle pork or booze with the rather contorted fight over insurance covering birth control is going a bit far afield I would think.

    I guess it is only a matter of time before tar sands and UFOs get drug into this...
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    On it's face it seems fairly innocuous but is an unusual accommodation and unfortunate precedent.
    There was similar problem a few years ago in Minneapolis, when Somali cab drivers refused to pick up passengers carrying alcohol.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-25/us/oppenheim.cabbies_1_muslim-american-society-cab-drivers-cabbies?_s=PM:US

    "...Adan is not alone. About three quarters of the 900 cabbies serving the airport are Muslim, and many have been regularly refusing passengers carrying beer, wine or liquor.

    In the past five years, 5,400 would-be taxi passengers at the airport were refused service for this very reason
    , said the Metropolitan Airport Commission, or MAC. Last May, passenger Bob Dildine says he waited for 20 minutes, and five cab drivers would not give him and his daughter a ride. He was carrying wine he bought on vacation.

    "They're here to provide service to people," said Dildine. "We were a lawful customer, and we were denied service. That's not our way of doing things."
    [.....]
    Last September, airport officials sought a compromise, and suggested that distinctive lights could be put on the roofs of cabs operated by drivers who will not transport alcohol. That way, taxi starters -- airport staff who direct people into cabs -- could send passengers with alcohol to those drivers who have no objection."..."
    Anyone have a problem with 3/4 of cab drivers serving a large airport who won't pick you up? Resulting in at last 5400 turned down fares? I do.
    And as Captain America pointed out, are devout Christians asking to not sell any birth control products at drug stores?
    What happens when Wegmans hires two more similar employees?
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    On the fence about this.
    First, I think it's fine that the employer and employee came to an agreement and it works well.
    On the other hand, you don't get a job serving the general public and ask for all kinds of exemptions.

    If your religion forbids you from handling certain things, maybe it's time to find a new line of work.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    I don't have a problem with this. She asked her employer for an exception to be made. Her employer granted it for whatever reason. I'm sure this isn't the only sort of exception this place makes for its employees and this doesn't seem like it would affect anyone other than people who want to complain about something.
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