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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do you know it was after the fact?
    I don't, but I kinda got the feelings that is how it happened from reading the story.
    I could be wrong.

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    Obviously her employers do not feel that she has trouble fulfilling the basic requirements of her job. Why exactly do you take issue with their assessment of things?
    I don't take issue with them, I take issue with her.
    If I were to look for jobs and I knew working at a specific place could compromise some belief I had, I'd look for work elsewhere.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    The term "give an inch, take a mile" comes to mind in this activist society we now live in. This has gotten national media attention now, and all it takes is for one or two pot stir'ers to mix it up a bit. Wegman's cannot possibly hope to accomodate every Jew, or Muslim with a food problem..

    What happens Coz you darn well know it's going too happen) when people reading about this walk on over to the Lyle Ave Wegman's and look for this Muslim JUST so they can mess with her and check out their pork, and alcohol despite having other lanes to check out from? Wegman's is only asking that their customers use another line, NOT that they MUST use another line. If the girl is ok with occassionally checking out the pork roast or chop, and occassianl bottle of wine from time to time, then there shouldn't be an issue, but this is America and people love to **** with others just for the sake of ****ing with them.

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Still, it's a general public grocery store.
    You should have to fulfill the job duties, just like everyone else.
    LOL! Dude, it's not a government store! They can give anyone any job duties or whatever they want. It isn't about everyone having equal duties.

    When I was a teenager I worked for my grandfather. He busted my ass. I got crap jobs and if anyone general purpose person worked late or had to work on a weekend it was always me. I didn't make a dime more than anyone doing equal work. I once told my grandfather that it wasn't fair that I got most of the bad work.

    "Fair", he laughed. "Did we ever discuss me being fair when you asked me for a job? You are my grandson so you will always work harder and longer than every one else. They'll be looking for favoritism. They aren't going to find it." then he explained that it was his business and he didn't have to be fair although he was. He also told me that it was none of my business what he expected of anyone else or what he paid them. He said not to believe everything I heard from coworkers and that not everything was as it appeared.

    Wise man.

    We don't know the things Wegmans and the Muslim lady have discussed. Her employment and her religious accommodation is Wegmans decision and probably a Wegmans business decision. Maybe she is making less money. Maybe she is doing more than working checkout. Maybe she is in dire straits. Maybe Wegmans decided that it wanted to be the change it wanted to see in the world.










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    I think what this thread proves is that some people think that having money entitles them to subject people to their will
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    We don't know the things Wegmans and the Muslim lady have discussed. Her employment and her religious accommodation is Wegmans decision and probably a Wegmans business decision. Maybe she is making less money. Maybe she is doing more than working checkout. Maybe she is in dire straits. Maybe Wegmans decided that it wanted to be the change it wanted to see in the world.
    I didn't think of that. Maybe there was a company meeting with all employees and they all agreed to her request. Who knows?

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I didn't think of that. Maybe there was a company meeting with all employees and they all agreed to her request. Who knows?

    See? Learn a new thought every day here, I do!
    All I know is that Wegman's is annually voted one of the top 100 best companies to work for. The family owned business was established in 1916 and the founder and his son and now grandson as well as other family members apparently have a history of community involvement, community service and community support. While the family is Roman Catholic and supports a Catholic school and such, they also seem to make an effort to support people in the community regardless of faith.

    They own 75 stores and other interests including wine stores and a wine/liquor distribution business, I think. They can certainly afford to hire a Muslim lady who isn't comfortable handling pork and alcohol, and why shouldn't they if they want to.

    There are good people who actually do care about other people and are in the position financially and socially to take risks and set good examples for their neighbors and their community. Seems to me the Wegman's are such people. Good on them. It's nice to know about nice people for a change.










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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    LOL! Dude, it's not a government store! They can give anyone any job duties or whatever they want. It isn't about everyone having equal duties.

    When I was a teenager I worked for my grandfather. He busted my ass. I got crap jobs and if anyone general purpose person worked late or had to work on a weekend it was always me. I didn't make a dime more than anyone doing equal work. I once told my grandfather that it wasn't fair that I got most of the bad work.

    "Fair", he laughed. "Did we ever discuss me being fair when you asked me for a job? You are my grandson so you will always work harder and longer than every one else. They'll be looking for favoritism. They aren't going to find it." then he explained that it was his business and he didn't have to be fair although he was. He also told me that it was none of my business what he expected of anyone else or what he paid them. He said not to believe everything I heard from coworkers and that not everything was as it appeared.

    Wise man.

    We don't know the things Wegmans and the Muslim lady have discussed. Her employment and her religious accommodation is Wegmans decision and probably a Wegmans business decision. Maybe she is making less money. Maybe she is doing more than working checkout. Maybe she is in dire straits. Maybe Wegmans decided that it wanted to be the change it wanted to see in the world.
    You guys aren't getting what I'm saying, at all.

    Generally speaking, the work place isn't an area for one to practice their religion, it's a religiously neutral area.
    Where religion is not practiced, no matter the faith or lack there of.
    That's how I view it.

    Going from that, the girl should leave her religious qualms at the door or find somewhere else to work.
    So, if your religion prevents you from servicing all customers, you shouldn't be dealing with customers in the first place.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't, but I kinda got the feelings that is how it happened from reading the story.
    I could be wrong.
    What part of the story gave that impression? I can't even tell if she actually said she couldn't work with these items or simply mentioned that she preferred to not to work with them. Many grocery stores have a universal application system as well. She might have been applying for a different position that wouldn't put her in contact with those products, but they were only hiring cashiers.


    I don't take issue with them, I take issue with her.
    But you must be taking issue with them because they don't feel that scanning pork and alcohol products qualifies as the basic requirements of that particular job, whereas you have decided all on your own that it is a basic requirement of that job.

    Obviously the issue isn't what she requested, but your perception of what the basic requirements of that particular job.

    If her employer actually felt that her request would prevent her from fulfilling the basic requirements of the job, they'd either put her in another position at the store where contact with such products was not a basic requirement or they wouldn't have hired her.

    ****, the alcohol thing isn't all that different from what happens with clerks who are under 21 in Illinois. They cannot legally sell alcohol, and they can't even come into contact with the product (not even to place it into a bag for the customer). They must, in all cases, call for someone who is over the age of 21 to perform these tasks for them. What we see here is identical except that the same behaviors are applied to pork products as well.

    So, using the logic you have described, do you believe that anybody under 21 that applies for a job as a cashier in Illinois is doing something morally wrong simply because it doesn't match up with your perception of the basic requirements of that job? If not, please explain why these "basic" job requirements appear to shift based on the person performing the job.

    If I were to look for jobs and I knew working at a specific place could compromise some belief I had, I'd look for work elsewhere.
    Interesting. Personally, I believe every job as having that kind of potential. Some far worse than others, but every one of them has the potential. Does that mean I am morally wrong for working anywhere?

    Also, are there any jobs that you believe could potentially compromise a belief you have?

    Conversely, are there any jobs you believe have no potential to compromise a belief you have? If so, which ones?
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Generally speaking, the work place isn't an area for one to practice their religion, it's a religiously neutral area.
    religiously neutral =/= not a place to practice one's own religious beliefs.

    To explain: if a person decides to wear a crucifix underneath their clothing, or carry one in their pocket while they work, or even say a silent prayer very 15 minutes, they are not violating the religious neutrality of the workplace.

    People are free to practice their beliefs so long as the employer feels it does not interfere with their capacity to fulfill their work duties.

    Keyword: Employer. Unless you are their employer, your opinion of what those work duties actually are is totally and completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Thus, your real issue here is not with this woman at all, but with the fact her employers don't seem to give a **** about your opinion of what her duties are.

    So, if your religion prevents you from servicing all customers, you shouldn't be dealing with customers in the first place.
    She is capable of serving all customers. Pork and alcohol are not customers. No individual would be denied her service based on any intrinsic characteristic of that person.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    This is just a hypothesis of mine and it isn't directed at anyone specific, but I'd be willing to bet good money that if the issue here was that the cashier had an allergy to a specific food, and the employer made their own decision to make an identical accommodation by putting such a request sign up, we'd see far fewer people complaining.

    I think the fact that this is based on religion, and an unpopular religion at that, makes this a more contentious issue than it would be if it was based on some other reason.
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