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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.
    Complain the companies involved. If the companies are OK with it, or the cabs are independently owned, so be it. It's not like alcohol has a constitutional right to cab service. That'd be retarded.


    2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.
    Wegmans makes a decision about those girls.

    Did you really not know the answers to those questions?
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I didn't see any answer from you or anyone on your side to my two posts pointing out:
    1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.
    2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.

    As it turns out, there is previous precedent/problem with this, also in Minneapolis.

    Target shifts Muslims who won't Ring up Pork
    Department stores in Minn. reassign some cashiers over religious conflict
    2007 Minneapolis
    Your point is?

    Look, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work all that out. At the taxi rank if you refuse a fare you must leave circle around and take your place at the back of the line and wait for another fare. Problem solved.

    Target and any other store can do what it does. It's their business and their choice. These things have a way of working themselves out. Muslim fanatics are no different than Christian fanatics or Buddhist fanatics. They can often be a real pain in the ass. When the pain in the ass costs you customers you get rid of it.

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    No accomodation allowed to the views of those who oppose this multiculturalist appeasement?

    And Big Brother was involved if the employer felt threatened by a lawsuit if he didn't submit to Allah.
    So everyone has to be just like you, believe as you believe, live as you live, love what you love, hate what you hate. What kind of food does a monoculturalist eat? No taco bell for you? No pizza. Fried chicken? Nope you can't have that either.










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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    If it were my place of business I would give the girl other duties to perform that did not involve handling pork or alcohol. I would not want my customers to be resentful that they were being treated differently by my employees than other customers.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I didn't see any answer from you or anyone on your side to my two posts pointing out:
    Must've missed it, I'll take a shot at it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.
    I'll avoid discussing my feelings regarding the licensing of cabs and whether cabs are a public service or a private enterprise. Instead, I'm going to assume what the public generally assumes -- that it's appropriate for the government to license and regulate cabs, and that they are a public service.

    Back in 2006, the Metropolitan Airports Commission thought they had an appropriate solution -- assign one dome light color to cabs that would take passengers carrying alcohol, and another color to cabs that would not. That way, travelers looking to depart the airport could know at a glance which cabs would take them and their luggage, and which ones wouldn't.

    Unfortunately, there was a huge outcry and the MAC scrapped the plan a mere week after announcing it. In light of that, they reverted to the existing regulations -- you refuse a fare, you go to the back of the queue and wait your turn. In other words, not only do you lose the fare, but you have to wait for every cab behind you to pick one up before you get a chance to refuse to carry someone else.

    At the time, it wasn't a big deal because Federal security protocol was such that you couldn't carry more than a relatively tiny amount of any fluid onto a plane with you, so the number of passengers being refused service for obviously carrying alcohol was fairly small. I don't know how it is now.

    Currently, the authorities are considering a new regulation which would result in a suspension of license if a cab driver refuses to pick up a fare for any reason.

    None of us has a Constitutional right to convenience, and yet I think most of us would agree that it is reasonable for us to expect certain things from professionals whose job it is to serve the public. Those professionals, I think also have a right to have their religious convictions respected -- but only to a point. The question is, where is that point?

    The short answer is: I really don't know. Expecting people to do what you want them to just because you were born here or you were here first or you're the customer just doesn't cut the mustard. At the same time, it is reasonable for a society to set a standard for behavior and expect all living within its boundaries to uphold that standard, or move elsewhere, or face the consequences. The problem is that we don't really have a standard which covers cases like this.

    It seems to me that we as a nation need to hash this out, rather than rattling our sabers and accusing those with religious convictions of pressing their faith on others, and that's the best I can do right now.

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    2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.
    The smart thing for any employer to do is to describe the jobs they're offering to prospective employees, and inquire as to whether or not they have any personal convictions that would prevent them from fulfilling the job as described. If they wish to accommodate any such convictions, they should be free to do so, with the caveat that if at any time management decides accommodation is hurting the business they will cease accommodation. Should that circumstance ever arise, management should offer those employees another position where those convictions aren't an issue, or advise the employee that accommodations have ceased and that they are to do the job as originally described or turn in their uniform.

    If such a policy is clearly defined and disclosed, I can't imagine anyone mounting a serious legal challenge to it.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What's there to be hysterical about, though?

    I really don't see how anyone, regardless of their political lean, could be bothered by this. It's the perfect union between the liberal ideal of social justice and the conservative ideal of free enterprise.
    I'm not hysterical about it.
    I don't mind the employer making concessions to the employee like this, nor do I believe there should be a law requiring or not requiring this.

    My problem is that this person applied for a job, where she had the knowledge, that she would come into contact with these things.
    She then asked for an exemption, after the fact.
    That's my problem.

    Pointedly, you shouldn't get a job at a place, where you will have trouble fulfilling the basic requirements of the job.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My problem is that this person applied for a job, where she had the knowledge, that she would come into contact with these things.
    She then asked for an exemption, after the fact.
    I haven't been able to find a source which definitively pinpoints when she asked for an exemption. For all we know, it happened during the interview process.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    It's kind of like applying for a bartender job, getting it, then saying you can't serve the liquor due to your religion so another bartender has to get the beer, wine, mixed drinks and you will only serve the 7-ups, virgin pina coladas, shirley temples.
    Why apply then??? And what about the other bartenders taking on the load?

    I know. Strawmen galore.

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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I haven't been able to find a source which definitively pinpoints when she asked for an exemption. For all we know, it happened during the interview process.
    Still, it's a general public grocery store.
    You should have to fulfill the job duties, just like everyone else.
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    Re: Sign at Wegmans draws attention

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My problem is that this person applied for a job, where she had the knowledge, that she would come into contact with these things.
    She then asked for an exemption, after the fact.
    How do you know it was after the fact?

    Pointedly, you shouldn't get a job at a place, where you will have trouble fulfilling the basic requirements of the job.
    Obviously her employers do not feel that she has trouble fulfilling the basic requirements of her job. Why exactly do you take issue with their assessment of things?
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