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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Responsibilities under a contract that will be proven to be unconstitutional?
    A man has right to contract; that's a two way street.
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It can be modified if both parties involved in contract agree to modify the contract. I'm not saying it cannot be. But it sounded more from the statement that it was meant that an individual can sign a contract not intending to uphold his end of contract, but rather to take it to court and get the terms forcibly chnaged through government.
    So you would be fine if this association had in it's rules that no blacks are allowed. Sorry these are the "good old days" when bigots could keep undesirables out of their neighborhoods.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    I think the most important question here is:

    What's an internationally renowned harpsichordist? And what's a harpsichord?
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the most important question here is:

    What's an internationally renowned harpsichordist? And what's a harpsichord?


    Harpsichord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






    World..... Renowned.
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So you would be fine if this association had in it's rules that no blacks are allowed. Sorry these are the "good old days" when bigots could keep undesirables out of their neighborhoods.
    There can be issues to which the government may get involved; I'm not saying that absolutely there can be no government involvement. But I think that your example doesn’t work well with the construct of the hypothetical which was that people can enter a contract expecting not to uphold their end of contract; but rather running to the government in order to get the terms changed. As this hypothetical is well more general and not specifically speaking to the outside chances of government intervention being a necessity.

    All in all, a man has right to contract. What some are looking to avoid is the two-way nature of that right. You can sign contract and agree to terms you desire. True. But you enter into contract and then are legally obligated to hold up your end. Of course there are exceptions, let’s not run down that road. What you want to say here is that this display of property on someone’s not-property when agreed to terms is one of those exceptions. Perchance, perchance not. My point is that the argument can be made that she knew the terms she was agreeing to and exercised her right to contract. Now she can try to get the terms changed and both parties can agree to do so; but that doesn’t alleviate her obligation to the current contract as written. She has right to contract and exercised said right, yes? Such an argument in fact isn’t necessarily out of libertarian political philosophy either.
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Interesting-
    When a teen son is murdered some of those who decry the parents and their advocates that are 'trying this in the media' want the Jewish lady's lawyers to do just that.

    Throw in some references to a commie state, compare it to barring blacks from the building and away the over-hype goes.

    I am all for debate but this type of posturing doesn't do much for advancing rational thought and sounds alot more like that Nancy Grace style of dis-CUSS-ion.

    The lady didn't put this religious symbol up when she moved in, she did so after being gifted one.

    She didn't ask if it was ok, she just did it.

    Some on the Right want to make this a rallying point for decrying the sh*thole our Nation is descending into, (in their very partisan minds)

    I have enough confidence that after leaving behind all the wild eyed rants over this, cooler heads will figure it out and everyone will be satisfied, well those who are actually involved in it anyways.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There can be issues to which the government may get involved; I'm not saying that absolutely there can be no government involvement. But I think that your example doesn’t work well with the construct of the hypothetical which was that people can enter a contract expecting not to uphold their end of contract; but rather running to the government in order to get the terms changed. As this hypothetical is well more general and not specifically speaking to the outside chances of government intervention being a necessity.

    All in all, a man has right to contract. What some are looking to avoid is the two-way nature of that right. You can sign contract and agree to terms you desire. True. But you enter into contract and then are legally obligated to hold up your end. Of course there are exceptions, let’s not run down that road. What you want to say here is that this display of property on someone’s not-property when agreed to terms is one of those exceptions. Perchance, perchance not. My point is that the argument can be made that she knew the terms she was agreeing to and exercised her right to contract. Now she can try to get the terms changed and both parties can agree to do so; but that doesn’t alleviate her obligation to the current contract as written. She has right to contract and exercised said right, yes? Such an argument in fact isn’t necessarily out of libertarian political philosophy either.
    Federal Fair Housing laws are also part of that contract - at least in the USA they are. If this display is covered under those laws then, yes, she is abiding by the terms of the contract but the HOA isn't.
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    She is wrong. I live in a condo and I do not want to see politics and or religion displayed anywhere. It is MY home as well as hers and eveyone elses. We all agree to abide by the condo laws or pay the price. Your right to freedom of expression is simply not permitted anywhere where others find it offensive or disturbing. Don't scream whereever to desire or you may go to jail. She should moe out to a place where she is not OBLIGATED to an association but I hope she has tolerant neighbors in her new neighborhood!!
    That state, by itself, is not correct.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    She is wrong. I live in a condo and I do not want to see politics and or religion displayed anywhere. It is MY home as well as hers and eveyone [sic] elses [sic]. We all agree to abide by the condo laws or pay the price. Your right to freedom of expression is simply not permitted anywhere where others find it offensive or disturbing. Don't scream whereever [sic] to desire or you may go to jail. She should moe [sic] out to a place where she is not OBLIGATED to an association but I hope she has tolerant neighbors in her new neighborhood!!
    Do you have any idea how similar this sounds to “I don't want any niggers living in my complex!”?

    It sounds like you have a serious bigotry against people with certain religious or political beliefs; of a sort that ought not be catered to any more than racism.

    And your statement that “Your right to freedom of expression is simply not permitted anywhere where others find it offensive or disturbing.” is factually incorrect, and appears to entirely miss the point of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and related freedoms.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That would cover non-nations too.
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