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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    But when it comes to dictating what color one may paint his house, what kind of landscaping one may have in his yard, what decorations one may display, and such, then I think that's out of bounds. We wouldn't think of letting a state or city government dictate such things; I don't see why a neighborhood-level of government should have that power either.
    Nope! That's 100% within an HOA's power. We had a case here several years ago about house color. A guy put siding on his house in a color that didn't meet the HOA criteria so the HOA sued him to change it and won in court. He had them OK several colors of house siding as a replacement for the siding they were making him take down, just to make sure he was abiding my the color rules. He then proceeded to have the siding installed - all four colors, in alternating strips! Wasn't a damn thing the HOA could do about it, either, they tried - took him back to court and lost because he was within the HOA guidelines. Served those HOA bastards right! LOL!

    We also had another case where the HOA didn't allow anything but shake shingles. Timberline asphalt shingles had just come out and a homeowner used them instead of shakes. The HOA sued and the homeowner took it up the ladder through the courts claiming TImberlines didn't subtract from the looks and asphalt had a much better safety record than shakes. (very true!) The homeowner eventually won and kept his Timberlines, after which most HOA's around here allowed Timberline or similar as an acceptable replacement for shake shingles.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Here we go again. Take it all the way to the USSC. This crap has to be stood up against in the USA. Sick.

    Connecticut Condo Owner Told To Remove Jewish Religious Ornament Or Face Fines | Fox News
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    With anal retentive home owner associations telling people they can't American flags, have to mow their lawns at a certain time, can't have certain types of Christmas decorations in their yard why would anyone in their right mind buy a home with a home owners association attached to it?
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    Yes, but property and contract rights as they are; one can argue that she knew the terms.
    Doesn't mean the terms are literally carved in stone. I have no issue with someone signing a contract and "agreeing" to terms, then working to have some of the terms overturned.

    Where I think the association will lose in this case is the differing standards based on which religion it is. If they were more consistent, either allowing all or banning all, without exception, they might withstand a legal challenge better. I predict they will either lose or back down on this one.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    But when it comes to dictating what color one may paint his house, what kind of landscaping one may have in his yard, what decorations one may display, and such, then I think that's out of bounds. We wouldn't think of letting a state or city government dictate such things; I don't see why a neighborhood-level of government should have that power either.
    There are some cities and other local governments that do restrict what colors one can paint their homes. It's not common, though.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Nope! That's 100% within an HOA's power. We had a case here several years ago about house color. A guy put siding on his house in a color that didn't meet the HOA criteria so the HOA sued him to change it and won in court. He had them OK several colors of house siding as a replacement for the siding they were making him take down, just to make sure he was abiding my the color rules. He then proceeded to have the siding installed - all four colors, in alternating strips! Wasn't a damn thing the HOA could do about it, either, they tried - took him back to court and lost because he was within the HOA guidelines. Served those HOA bastards right! LOL!

    We also had another case where the HOA didn't allow anything but shake shingles. Timberline asphalt shingles had just come out and a homeowner used them instead of shakes. The HOA sued and the homeowner took it up the ladder through the courts claiming TImberlines didn't subtract from the looks and asphalt had a much better safety record than shakes. (very true!) The homeowner eventually won and kept his Timberlines, after which most HOA's around here allowed Timberline or similar as an acceptable replacement for shake shingles.

    HOA's can be a PITA if you get some anal retentive idiots running them.
    There is no doubt you're right about bolded statement. But the guy who sided his house in four different colors? He was an asshole. I hope the guy has to put his house on the market soon. The last laugh won't be his. (Frankly, this sounds more like an urban legend than truth. Link?)
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post

    HOA's can be a PITA if you get some anal retentive idiots running them.
    I was at a friend's place as were members of the HOA who were at poolside. There was a bird on a balcony in a cage making tweety bird noises. Next thing I hear there were measures before the HOA to have the bird banned and a battle ensued between the resident and the HOA...

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    How fitting that this thread appeared right below the Wegmans thread...lol


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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is no doubt you're right about bolded statement. But the guy who sided his house in four different colors? He was an asshole. I hope the guy has to put his house on the market soon. The last laugh won't be his. (Frankly, this sounds more like an urban legend than truth. Link?)
    He was an asshole, absolutely, but... I love it! I have pretty much zero sympathy for HOAs. They have to live by the restrictive rules they make as well, and he made sure they did. As far as I'm concerned they brought it on themselves as much as he brought it on them. When you push too far, don't be surprised when people push back.

    Something tells me if he can afford to be an asshole in that manner, he can afford to fix his siding if/when he sells his home.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    j-mac,

    I totally agree, the girl in the Wegmans thread shows us the proper way to go about asking for something when dealing with a non governmental authority vs the condo lady just doing it without regard for the contract she signed. Seems our nation's new motto is 'it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission.'

    Until a group challenges the rules of a HOA or Condo Board the rules stand, thats the way it was prior to 1963. Until challenged sundowner laws, literacy tests, separate but equal were all legal.

    She knew the rules, she didn't put it up when she moved in but sometime later when she was given one as a gift. I'd support a law allowing small religious symbols on individual doors/frames but as the law stands now the Condo Board is well within it's rights, all right wing ranting aside.

    Perhaps the older lady could learn something from the younger one.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is no doubt you're right about bolded statement. But the guy who sided his house in four different colors? He was an asshole. I hope the guy has to put his house on the market soon. The last laugh won't be his. (Frankly, this sounds more like an urban legend than truth. Link?)
    It was in the mid-80's, it was local, the only link I have is the one in my brain. I've seen the house, it was located at the corner of a residential street and a parkway - but some parkways around here have a really wide RoW so it wasn't "right on the street" on the parkway side. I'll see if there's an on-line reference. Short of that I'd have to dig it out of the newspaper archives here. I know it made the paper. We called it the Rainbow House but that was before the term implied gay. It was four colors of pastel, the required colors for the HOA. I'll look but I don't expect to find it on-line considering how long ago the hoopla was.
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