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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    [QUOTE=spud_meister;1060349533]I've never heard of a mezuzah until now, and the wiki article doesn't say. But does it have to be on the outside of the doorframe?[/QUOTE

    If I am not mistaken it is ON, attached to the doorframe. To say that this is not allowed is the same as saying that observant Jews are not allowed to give in this condo.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Here we go again. Take it all the way to the USSC. This crap has to be stood up against in the USA. Sick.

    Connecticut Condo Owner Told To Remove Jewish Religious Ornament Or Face Fines | Fox News
    I think we should all go stand on her front steps and read the Gospels. It's not preaching, and you can do whatever you want on someone else's private property.

    I agree with you on this one because it's the owner's religious ornament on the owner's private property. That's the difference.

    But, this isn't the government cracking down...this is a private company. So the First Amendment doesn't apply as it only restricts the actions of the government.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    With anal retentive home owner associations telling people they can't American flags, have to mow their lawns at a certain time, can't have certain types of Christmas decorations in their yard why would anyone in their right mind buy a home with a home owners association attached to it?
    That's why I never will.


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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a dumb rule, when the size and nature of the object in question is not obnoxious or overtly offensive in nature.
    Yes, but property and contract rights as they are; one can argue that she knew the terms.
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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think we should all go stand on her front steps and read the Gospels. It's not preaching, and you can do whatever you want on someone else's private property.

    I agree with you on this one because it's the owner's religious ornament on the owner's private property. That's the difference.

    But, this isn't the government cracking down...this is a private company. So the First Amendment doesn't apply as it only restricts the actions of the government.
    I agree that it's a dumb rule, or dumb application of the rule, but I'm pretty sure that the outside doorframe would be considered part of the "common area" so the association is within its rights. Condo associations are from hell.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but property and contract rights as they are; one can argue that she knew the terms.

    So you agree with the segregation laws of the south before 1963. Perhaps as a libertarian you feel that people can do whatever they please with their personal property, which is OK if that is what you really believe. Just not the America we live in today.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So you agree with the segregation laws of the south before 1963. Perhaps as a libertarian you feel that people can do whatever they please with their personal property, which is OK if that is what you really believe. Just not the America we live in today.
    That's kind of a bad analogy, isn't it? AFAIK this isn't a case where people can display Christian stuff on their doorways but not Jewish stuff. Isn't it just a general prohibition against decoration?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's kind of a bad analogy, isn't it? AFAIK this isn't a case where people can display Christian stuff on their doorways but not Jewish stuff. Isn't it just a general prohibition against decoration?

    If I am not mistaken this is not considered a decoration for observant Jews. It is something they feel bound to do as part of their religion. It is a tradition that I think ties into the passover story.

    So for these folks it is not a decoration, it is religious law. So telling people that they can not have these things is the same as saying we don't want you to live here. Discrimination in the northeast uses more finesse than in the south perhaps, but still exists.

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So you agree with the segregation laws of the south before 1963. Perhaps as a libertarian you feel that people can do whatever they please with their personal property, which is OK if that is what you really believe. Just not the America we live in today.


    I see no response from Ikari- Outed???

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    Re: Connecticut condo owner told to remove Jewish religious ornament or face fines

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but property and contract rights as they are; one can argue that she knew the terms.
    You are right about contractual rights. When you sign a contract, you should be bound by that contract. No different than committing to an auto loan then deciding that you no longer want to make the payments.

    Another point. In a condo situation, the tenant/owner does not own the walls. Only the space between the walls. Therefore there are no property rights involved other than the collective rights.
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