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Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

Dpetty said:
Lets disect that statement for a second... What were they doing when they arrested him? They were preventing him from speaking. Your talking in circles. Free speech extends to all Americans Everywhere, not just on public property. The law doesnt make a distinction on the zoning, or ownership of the property in which that law is applicable.
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So you'd have no problem with me reciting the Koran on your front yard then?

I mean, not preaching or anything, just reading out loud.
 
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Dpetty said:
Here is the problem. He was asked to leave a public parking lot because he was reading from the bible. Once he refused their request to leave the property, he is considered trespassing. The question is should he have been asked to leave the public parking lot for no other reason than that he was reading out loud?
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was the parking place public? Isn't it much more likely that it was a DMV parking lot.
 
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muciti said:
Would you agree that muslims should not be allowed to preach in public anymore either then? What about anti/pro abortion rallies? Tea party? Any group or person that decides to put on a public display should be arrested unless they have the proper permits?
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I think that people shouldn't even need permits. The First Amendment is my permit bro :peace
 
rocket88 said:
So you'd have no problem with me reciting the Koran on your front yard then?

I mean, not preaching or anything, just reading out loud.
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Of course i would, but this didnt happen in someones front yard, did it? Thats a terrible comparison.
 
Dpetty said:
Those are two seperate things. A person can be arrested for trespassing on private property, thats obvious. But unless im making threats or something like that, i cannot be arrested for what i SAY while on that property, especially when all im doing is reading from the bible. You are muddling up the two and making them the same when they are not. Also as a side note, this was NOT private property. A state run entity is public domain.
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I think you missed the part were it looked like he was asked to leave by a security guard
 
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rocket88 said:
God, you people will go to any length to defend your side. Saying that he wasn't preaching is as asinine as the argument I had with someone over whether Glenn Beck's rally was political.

OK, why then was he reading the Bible?

So since reading from religious literature on someone else's private property is OK, it would be totally acceptable for me to come over to your house and start shouting verses from the Koran, right?



"I wasn't preaching officer, it was a very interesting story!"
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No, if you came on my property with a Koran I'd probably shoot you. But it's my property so I can do that.
 
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According to this story, he was charged with demonstrating on STATE property without a permit. So, there's the proof it is state property. Also, I looked on Google maps and this place does not share a parking lot with any other business.
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/60910/
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I havent changed it once. If you go back and read you would find that out. Either that or you are just incredibly ignorant....


I sound fine...


I have a perfect position. I have stated it several times....

You have yet to answer my original question.. Nor has anyone on here...
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Then please ask it again and I will answer it to the best of my ability.
 
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soccerboy22 said:
I also found something that, before, the men had been warned about getting a permit to be there weeks prior. The article also says that a group did get a permit and were allowed to be there as long as they did not interupt the activities of the DMV.

Church: Arrests violated First Amendment | Breaking News | PE.com - Press-Enterprise
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Organizations use a "Permit" requirement so they can deny the ones they choose to.
 
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or to insure those who gather respect the rules and stand off distances, have medical or proper sanitation if the gathering is of any length. For some groups insurance of some sort must be presented before a permit is issued.

But right wing paranoia is focused on denial, which oddly enough is used more on liberal gatherings than 'conservative' ones.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
Organizations use a "Permit" requirement so they can deny the ones they choose to.
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Except they let a Christian church there a few weeks later with the permit, so I guess that is not true.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
Organizations use a "Permit" requirement so they can deny the ones they choose to.
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Another Christian group did go through channels and was given a permit. So much for that theory.
In January 2010, Praise Chapel in San Jacinto was granted a three-day permit to speak and to distribute Bibles and fliers at the same DMV office. They were told not to disrupt the activities of the office. No problems were reported.
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For 1st Amendment questions and "public property":
The Supreme Court has handed down several rulings reaffirming that government property does not fall under the First Amendment's protection of the right to public assess or open speech ...
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Church: Arrests violated First Amendment | Breaking News | PE.com - Press-Enterprise
 
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notquiteright said:
or to insure those who gather respect the rules and stand off distances, have medical or proper sanitation if the gathering is of any length. For some groups insurance of some sort must be presented before a permit is issued.

But right wing paranoia is focused on denial, which oddly enough is used more on liberal gatherings than 'conservative' ones.
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Your post was going good until you injected an assumption at the end. Please define what you think a conservative gathering is compared to a liberal one. The examples I think of are a Tea Party rally vs an Occupy gathering. Hmmm, wonder why they would be more strict on an Occupy rally vs a Tea Party rally?
 
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MarineTpartier said:
No, if you came on my property with a Koran I'd probably shoot you. But it's my property so I can do that.
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Congratulations on perpetuating the idea that the Marines fantasize about killing Muslims.
 
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being arrested for reading bible is foolish but maybe being arrested for not reading bible would be worse than that.take care of secularism..
 
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MarineTpartier said:
No, if you came on my property with a Koran I'd probably shoot you. But it's my property so I can do that.
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how ??

can you please explain it
 
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Medusa said:
how ??

can you please explain it
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He wouldn't actually shoot anyone. He's just been part of a culture that is so ridiculous that he thinks he'd actually gain approval amongst his peers by saying such a horrifying thing. The ultimate tough guy wannabe. Sad, really.
 
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Deuce said:
He wouldn't actually shoot anyone. He's just been part of a culture that is so ridiculous that he thinks he'd actually gain approval amongst his peers by saying such a horrifying thing. The ultimate tough guy wannabe. Sad, really.
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interesting:lol:
 
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Medusa said:
how ??

can you please explain it
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easy.. Muslim reads Koran on his property.. bam.. he shoots them and plants a gun on them.... claims self defense.... gets medal from local sheriff for taking down terrorist cell leader.. gets letter from Obama stating he's a national hero....

.. in the end , he gets the girl. :)
 
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Deuce said:
Congratulations on perpetuating the idea that the Marines fantasize about killing Muslims.
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Fantasize? It would be more like memories for me brother. Nice try though.
 
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Deuce said:
He wouldn't actually shoot anyone.
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Yeah, you're right. Because I've never shot anyone before and I'd just woos out at the last minute like in the movies lol. I would actually shoot someone for trespassing on my property, if I felt threatened.
Deuce said:
He's just been part of a culture that is so ridiculous that he thinks he'd actually gain approval amongst his peers by saying such a horrifying thing.
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What culture would that be? Oh, you mean the US Marine Corps? No, you don't gain approval amongst peers for saying you'd kill someone, muslim or not. Its assumed that everyone would have no problem killing someone. Thats what we do. Killing someone is not that big of a deal in our world. Also, whats so horrifying about defending my property?
Deuce said:
The ultimate tough guy wannabe. Sad, really.
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Lets see, who's more likely to actually be a tough guy. A guy whose user name is a slang for defecating or a Marine? I'm betting on the latter.

However, that wasn't the point of my post to begin with. I would shoot someone if they were carrying reading material, not carrying reading material, or anything else in their hand for that matter. Your assumption that I live in the suburbs or a city is probably the genesis for your baseless opinion about cultures, tough guys, and the like. I actually live in the country where, if someone would like to visit, they would let me know they were coming. In addition, there is no reason for any person to come down my driveway or the road my driveway is on unless they are actually coming to my home. Finally, while I am not affluent, I have affluent neighbors. A thief would more than likely associate me with the class of my neighbors and target my house. Therefore, I would shoot someone who came on my property because I live in a remote location, there is no reason to come to my home unannounced, and the wealth of my neighbors gives the impression that I am wealthy. Of course, you knew all that before you made your statements huh?:roll:
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Your post was going good until you injected an assumption at the end. Please define what you think a conservative gathering is compared to a liberal one. The examples I think of are a Tea Party rally vs an Occupy gathering. Hmmm, wonder why they would be more strict on an Occupy rally vs a Tea Party rally?
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The Occupy rally in my city became a cesspool of filth and bad sanitation about 2 days into it and then one of the protestors overdosed and died in his tent, while another group almost died from a faulty space heater. Some good permits do. They completly trashed a beautiful park.
 
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Medusa said:
how ??

can you please explain it
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Does that really require explanation?
 
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