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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is kind of funny since I never seem to have heard of polie arresting the crazies that used to sit out front of the DMV's talking about Bush causing 9/11 or Obama being a Muslim or any other such things. Is this somehow only restricted to religion?
    He was only arrested for not having a permit.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    He was only arrested for not having a permit.
    Yep, saw your post after my initial one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And here we have the legitimate reason for why the man shouldn't have been doing what he was doing...not idiotic "Church and state" seperation or being "rude", but he didn't have the proper permits. If he got the same permits as the "9/11 was an inside job" people that I've seen outside my DMV before he'd be well within his right to prostilatize aobut whatever fire and brimstone message he'd like.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i dont at all. Especially when its peaceful.
    So how was this guy not peaceful? What did he do because I didn't see anything in the video. Do you have more info on this story?

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    He was only arrested for not having a permit.
    ****ing permits again eh?
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    ...Also you do know that people who preach the Koran dont have to be radicals right?
    um, what's your point?

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So freedom of speech means a person can talk about ANYTHING they want EXCEPT religion, which is criminal and you go to jail for?

    You are confident that is what the "Founding Fathers" meant in freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Talk about religion except on your own property and you go to prison - otherwise say whatever you want.
    Of course that isn't what they meant, and only a fool would believe they did.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Seeing as how I am not intolerate of peoples faiths it wouldnt bother me. I know this because I ahve been downtown and approached about various religions and political causes and I don't get offended by it.

    Also you do know that people who preach the Koran dont have to be radicals right?
    Good point, if the preacher had been preaching Islam, I wonder would the police have arrested him?
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    The legal precedent for what this man did has been set. Many groups and individuals have protested on public property in California and been allowed to stay. This man did not corner anyone, he didn't block traffic, he didn't impede on anyone's ability to get their driver's license, and he was more than enough distance away from the DMV. The DMV is a state run entity. He was on state property. If he wanted to, he could have popped a tent right there on the grounds as long as he didn't interfere with normal business being conducted. This is a matter of a particular cop who didn't like what was happening so he decided to stop it. IMO, the cop should be disciplined (not fired or anything, just a warning) and the man should be absolved.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, he was preaching.

    how would YOU feel if some Muslim-radical came to you while you were waiting on line for the DMV and starting preaching the Koran?
    I wouldn't want them arrested.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because the same rules that prevent him from doing what he did would also prevent him from going on about a cause to save the whales. It isn't the content of what he was saying that he was arrested for. It was his disruptive behavior towards a group of people who had no practical means to avoid what he was saying, in a non-public forum. If he had gone over to the street corner and spoke from there, he would have been fine. If he had been talking about Scientology, environmental crusades, how much he loves American Idol, or pretty much anything that wasn't suggesting a commercial transaction, he would still have been arrested. If he had been doing this outside of a mall, where people didn't have to stop and listen to him, he would have been fine.

    That's how the law works in this instance. His choice of subject matter was not relevant to his arrest.
    Prove that reading a book is "disruptive behavior". Your point that the people there "had no practical means to avoid what he was saying" has nothing to do with anything. What law are you going to use on that one?

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