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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Simply put you are wrong. free speech its only meant to prevent the government from preventing you from speaking, not private individual
    Lets disect that statement for a second... What were they doing when they arrested him? They were preventing him from speaking. Your talking in circles. Free speech extends to all Americans Everywhere, not just on public property. The law doesnt make a distinction on the zoning, or ownership of the property in which that law is applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Lets disect that statement for a second... What were they doing when they arrested him? They were preventing him from speaking. Your talking in circles. Free speech extends to all Americans Everywhere, not just on public property. The law doesnt make a distinction on the zoning, or ownership of the property in which that law is applicable.
    Yes it does private individuals can kick you off their property for any reason. If they don't leave you can be arrested
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    but he has no right to do that when trespassing.
    Even if he were trespassing, he would still have the right to say anything he wanted... He would also have the right to remain silent because anything he said can and would be used against him in a court of law etc etc etc.

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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Yes it does private individuals can kick you off their property for any reason. If they don't leave you can be arrested
    Those are two seperate things. A person can be arrested for trespassing on private property, thats obvious. But unless im making threats or something like that, i cannot be arrested for what i SAY while on that property, especially when all im doing is reading from the bible. You are muddling up the two and making them the same when they are not. Also as a side note, this was NOT private property. A state run entity is public domain.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Even if he were trespassing, he would still have the right to say anything he wanted... He would also have the right to remain silent because anything he said can and would be used against him in a court of law etc etc etc.
    But the crime was trespass, not reading the bible. I just am of the opinion that he has no right to trespass to read the bible. If he had stood on public property he could have read the bible until his voice disappeared but when you trespass you have no such rights.
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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    The guy was making a nuisance of himself. My only objection to what the police did is that they didn't rough him up.
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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The guy was making a nuisance of himself. My only objection to what the police did is that they didn't rough him up.
    what and risk making him an even bigger christian martyr? No thanks.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But the crime was trespass, not reading the bible. I just am of the opinion that he has no right to trespass to read the bible. If he had stood on public property he could have read the bible until his voice disappeared but when you trespass you have no such rights.
    Here is the problem. He was asked to leave a public parking lot because he was reading from the bible. Once he refused their request to leave the property, he is considered trespassing. The question is should he have been asked to leave the public parking lot for no other reason than that he was reading out loud?
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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The guy was making a nuisance of himself. My only objection to what the police did is that they didn't rough him up.
    Just like they should rough up these dumb "occupy wallstreet" idiots.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    but he has no right to do that when trespassing.
    It depends. If he were on public land, I say no harm no foul. If it was private land, then it's up to the landowner.
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