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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Then every OWL protestor at Wall Street and every protestor inside the Wisconsin state capital should have been arrested. Both involved a "captive audience going about their business
    - private business or with the government.

    With the officers statement of "you can preach on your own property" he should be removed from any law enforcement employment.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Tyler points out that the “captive audience” statute requires more than simple intimidation.

    “Mackey had to be threatening them. Is reading the Bible threatening?”

    Tyler says that, in the end, Mackey has simply been charged with trespassing.

    How can that be trespassing?” Tyler asks. “This is a public place. He was not blocking or impeding anyone. He was standing over 50 feet from the entrance. This is crazy.”

    It's public property, the state is incorrect in charging this guy with anything. The cop needs to be re-educated and go back to policeman school. A very interesting case as it demonstrates what others call a war on Christianity.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i dont at all. Especially when its peaceful.
    So you think this man was wrong but the OWS group was ok? So its only ok for people to publically voice their beliefs if you agree with them? That sounds like discrimination to me.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So you think this man was wrong but the OWS group was ok? So its only ok for people to publically voice their beliefs if you agree with them? That sounds like discrimination to me.
    No i never said any of that.
    I dont have a problem with what this guy was doing or what the OWS group was doing....


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Now this is going to interesting to see how this plays out. "Captive audience". What exactly does that mean? Who determines exactly what a "captive audience" is and isn't? Fascinating. Here is an exerpt from the story.

    "The video begins with Mark Mackey opening his Bible.

    “Good morning, everyone,” he says to a crowd of 15 onlookers waiting outside the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little bit of the word of God this morning.”

    The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.

    “You can preach on your own property,” an officer from the California state patrol tells Mackey as he leads him away in handcuffs. “Folks, this is what the United States is coming to,” Mackey says to the crowd, who were standing outside waiting for the DMV to open. “You can talk about anything you want, but you can’t talk about the Bible.”


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    Yeah, don't really buy the "captive audience" stuff.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i never said any of that.
    I dont have a problem with what this guy was doing or what the OWS group was doing....
    oh i apologize then. i thought differntly.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    This is just silly. People stand outside businesses all the time protesting things, pushing their ideas, chanting, rallying, ect. What this man is doing is no different other than his faith. This is further suppression of the christain faiths because here in America it is wrong to be openly religious if you are Christian or similar faiths (other religions are ok and encouraged). If this guy was reading from the Koran he would be ok and any attempt by the police to remove him would have been deemed racist and intolerant.
    Blah, blah, blah "War on Christianity", blah, blah, blah. Honestly, the whining about this is ludicrous. Church and state separate. All is fine.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    oh i apologize then. i thought differntly.
    Not a problem...


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A very interesting case as it demonstrates what others call a war on Christianity.
    Yeah let's perpetuate the myth shall we?

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Blah, blah, blah "War on Christianity", blah, blah, blah. Honestly, the whining about this is ludicrous. Church and state separate. All is fine.
    The First Amendment expressly grants the right to free speech in public spaces. Now, I think this "War on Christianity/Christmas" is crap too, but it's crap like this that gives proponents of that idea ammunition.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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