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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, it was a literature reading....

    Seriously, is there a reason other than preaching that he would be reading the Bible aloud?
    As far as I saw, he fit the second definition a lot more than the first.
    preach (prch)v. preached, preach·ing, preach·es

    1. To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.
    2. To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with: preached tolerance and peaceful coexistence.
    3. To deliver (a sermon).
    v.intr.
    1. To deliver a sermon.
    2. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner

    reading
    Noun:
    1.The action or skill of reading written or printed matter silently or aloud: "suggestions for further reading"; "reading skills".
    2.Written or printed matter that can be read: "his main reading was detective stories".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    He was reading. Good luck trying to prove he was "proselytizing" along with proving whatever a "captive audience" is.
    If you read from any holy book you are proselytizing :banghead:


    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Free speech still applies to private property. If he was asked to leave and refused he could be arrested for tresspassing but NOT for reading from the bible. Even a parking lot which may be privatly owned is still public domain unless posted otherwise.
    Simply put you are wrong. free speech its only meant to prevent the government from preventing you from speaking, not private individual

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It wasn't private property. I don't understand where everyone's getting this from. Its the friggin DMV. The guy's taxes paid for the very ground he's standing on. Of course he has a right to stand there and read aloud. Your mocking of the Lord's Prayer further shows your underlying agenda in disputing this man's rights. Its not that he read, it's what he read.
    The dmv in some states is a private business contacted by the state. I have nut watched the video (as you can tell I only have a phone to come here on) but if the dmv isnt the only business in that location, it may been another business. Let's not forget that the building and parking lot are likely owned by a 3rd party
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just to clarify - if someone reads Walt Whitman poems aloud instead of the bible, in this exact same place in this exact same circumstance: Are they preaching Walt Whitman?
    Now that post is cutting to the chase. Couldn't have been more clear.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, it was a literature reading....

    Seriously, is there a reason other than preaching that he would be reading the Bible aloud?
    I believe this guy was reading the Bible aloud. Was he preaching, no. Reading and preaching are totally different.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It wasn't private property. I don't understand where everyone's getting this from. Its the friggin DMV.
    In many cases, government office space is rented. If that is the case here, it is private property as it is owned by the landlord.


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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Now this is going to interesting to see how this plays out. "Captive audience". What exactly does that mean? Who determines exactly what a "captive audience" is and isn't? Fascinating. Here is an exerpt from the story.

    "The video begins with Mark Mackey opening his Bible.

    “Good morning, everyone,” he says to a crowd of 15 onlookers waiting outside the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little bit of the word of God this morning.”

    The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.

    “You can preach on your own property,” an officer from the California state patrol tells Mackey as he leads him away in handcuffs. “Folks, this is what the United States is coming to,” Mackey says to the crowd, who were standing outside waiting for the DMV to open. “You can talk about anything you want, but you can’t talk about the Bible.”


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    The issue here is, was he standing on public property or was he trespassing. I think he can and will be tried for trespassing if he did what he did on someone elses property. If he was standing on his own lawn and was reading the bible I doubt he could be arrested so this who "arresting for reading the bible" is not actually the reason for arrest.

    However, if it were me he would have bothered with his preaching, I would have loved to see him arrested for bothering people with religion (but that would also go for a muslim, hara krishna, scientologist or any other religous movement/cult) but if he were on public property I would have just ignored him and his annoying preachings.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    As far as I saw, he fit the second definition a lot more than the first.
    preach (prch)v. preached, preach·ing, preach·es

    1. To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.
    2. To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with: preached tolerance and peaceful coexistence.
    3. To deliver (a sermon).
    v.intr.
    1. To deliver a sermon.
    2. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner

    reading
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    1.The action or skill of reading written or printed matter silently or aloud: "suggestions for further reading"; "reading skills".
    2.Written or printed matter that can be read: "his main reading was detective stories".
    God, you people will go to any length to defend your side. Saying that he wasn't preaching is as asinine as the argument I had with someone over whether Glenn Beck's rally was political.

    OK, why then was he reading the Bible?

    So since reading from religious literature on someone else's private property is OK, it would be totally acceptable for me to come over to your house and start shouting verses from the Koran, right?

    2. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner
    "I wasn't preaching officer, it was a very interesting story!"


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, it was a literature reading....

    Seriously, is there a reason other than preaching that he would be reading the Bible aloud?
    Um, so the other people there could HEAR him.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, it was a literature reading....

    Seriously, is there a reason other than preaching that he would be reading the Bible aloud?
    Who cares? The individual has right to to exercise and expression of religion.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who cares? The individual has right to to exercise and expression of religion.
    but he has no right to do that when trespassing.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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