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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that means that govt. cannot pass any law that specifically shows any preferences for a religious institution, house of worship, or even a religion.
    They havent done that. This is about the freedom of speech, no one is talking about a NEW law, this one is rather old. Allowing people to practice their rights, like freedom of speech AND freedom of religion AND freedom to gather, does not mean the government has now sponsored that group.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you know what an establishment of religion is?

    its any church, synagoge, mosque, or any religious institution whatsoever.

    that means that govt. cannot pass any law that specifically shows any preferences for a religious institution, house of worship, or even a religion.
    And in this case it is not what happened.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's not always true though, sometimes you do have to have permits, etc.

    I'm not saying this is that situation, but it's not always cut and dry just because it is public property.

    There are sometimes rules and procedures that you have to go by and I'm not sure if that applies here or not.
    Very true. I think the instances you speak of are large groups though. That I understand needing a permit for because it can shut down streets and people need the info so they can plan around it.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've read that this is not the first time this has happened with these individuals. Police apparently have warned these guys multiple times, which leads me to believe those who have said this guy wanted to get arrested are probably correct. To me, the arrest sounds like a protest in and of itself to bring to light the issue of reading the bible publicly. Regardless of the motivation and intent, the issue at hand is, did the police have a right to arrest the guy? I agree with soccerboy that if the parking lot is technically owned by the DMV, they can have him arrested for trespass - it's their land. A harder argument is if the DMV parking lot is owned by someone else or is considered public land. Even harder still would be to press the illegal protest charge, which I think wouldn't work which maybe why the charges were changed to trespassing.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DMV isn't a private enterprise. In other words, the state paid for the land the DMV is on. The state isn't a money making enterprise either. They take money in from tax payers. This individual is a tax payer therefore the land he is on is public land ie tax payer bought. I don't know where this "DMV owned" crap is coming from. The DMV can't own anything.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    This is a question. It is not an opinion.

    As you all no doubt realize, one of my favorite short stories is Down the Digestive Tract and into the Cosmos with Mantra, Tantra and Specklebang ... which for those of you whose education is insufficiently rounded is about either an alien who takes acid and hallucinates that he is a human hallucinating that he is an alien or maybe about a human who is hallucinating that he is an alien who is hallucinating that he is a human. Not everybody likes this story what with language and drug use and all.

    Suppose I walked up to a group at the DMV and began loudly reading this story to my captive audience. When I was asked to stop, I didn't. Do you think that I would be detained or would it be OK because this isn't a religious based story?

    I did watch the video associated with this event. However, I'm aware the FOX has a bit of an axe to grind on this topic. So, I solicit the knowledge and wisdom of DP.

    Now, my OPINION. I think this guy was being incredibly annoying and if I had been in line, trying to peacefully ponder the meaning of the universe, I would have been thrilled when the made him STFU.
    Read all you want. You can read till pigs fly or the cows come home. I don't care and would be just as offended at you getting arrested as this preacher.

    See, I know how to tune people that I don't want to listen to out. Drives my wife crazy.
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The title is misleading. He wasn't "reading the Bible" he was preaching, he was reading aloud as many ministers and preachers do on Sunday in church. You could have said he was reading from the Bible if you wanted a short title, that would have been closer to the truth.
    Just to clarify - if someone reads Walt Whitman poems aloud instead of the bible, in this exact same place in this exact same circumstance: Are they preaching Walt Whitman?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

    The one thing I've learned from this thread:

    Most people know what the 1st Amendment basically says, but not what it means and not how it's applied.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    No he cannot.
    They can't control what books maybe, that sounds draconian, but a property owner can certainly ban preaching on their property.

    If not, nothing could stop somebody from standing on your front lawn and reading from the Baghavad Gita.

    If you watch the whole thing and try to interpret the truth of the situation despite the editing, it looks like at one point, somebody who looked like a private security guard asked him to leave. When he didn't, that's when the cops were called. Which would also explain the cops explanation of "You can preach on your own property," if this was essentially a trespassing arrest. (We'll hope that God "Forgives him his trespasses as he forgives those who trespass against him.")
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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just to clarify - if someone reads Walt Whitman poems aloud instead of the bible, in this exact same place in this exact same circumstance: Are they preaching Walt Whitman?
    Ah, it was a literature reading....

    Seriously, is there a reason other than preaching that he would be reading the Bible aloud?


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They can't control what books maybe, that sounds draconian, but a property owner can certainly ban preaching on their property.

    If not, nothing could stop somebody from standing on your front lawn and reading from the Baghavad Gita.

    If you watch the whole thing and try to interpret the truth of the situation despite the editing, it looks like at one point, somebody who looked like a private security guard asked him to leave. When he didn't, that's when the cops were called. Which would also explain the cops explanation of "You can preach on your own property," if this was essentially a trespassing arrest. (We'll hope that God "Forgives him his trespasses as he forgives those who trespass against him.")
    It wasn't private property. I don't understand where everyone's getting this from. Its the friggin DMV. The guy's taxes paid for the very ground he's standing on. Of course he has a right to stand there and read aloud. Your mocking of the Lord's Prayer further shows your underlying agenda in disputing this man's rights. Its not that he read, it's what he read.
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