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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    if he was in the parking lot, that's one thing.

    if he was on the sidewalk infront of the DMV, that's different.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    "Obnoxious behavior" isn't a legal term. Over 70% of the citizens of NYC don't want the "cultural center" built on that location. Try again.
    No, but private property of a business is private property. They can ban preaching on their property if they want to.

    It all comes down to who owns that property. If the State owns it, then it's a First Amendment case. If the State rents it from an owner, that owner can say "No Preaching."


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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Right, and actually if it is DMV property I'd agree with you because that's the government.

    Rented space in a strip mall would be the private property of the owner, not public property.
    Free speech still applies to private property. If he was asked to leave and refused he could be arrested for tresspassing but NOT for reading from the bible. Even a parking lot which may be privatly owned is still public domain unless posted otherwise.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Where was he though when he read it. What's allowable on private property falls under the jurisdiction of the owner. If in this case that owner is not the State of California, whoever that land owner is can decide which books are and are not acceptable on their property.
    No he cannot.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    "Obnoxious behavior" isn't a legal term. Over 70% of the citizens of NYC don't want the "cultural center" built on that location. Try again.
    luckily for our Republic, the Constitution trumps the views expressed in a Fox News poll.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're focusing on the wrong part. The government can't elevate one religion above another, which is what it would be doing if it allowed people to use the DMV for attempting to convert others.
    Allowing a citizen to read from a book of ANY religion is not elevating or endorsing that religion. Remember those disclaimers that come on before a paid program? The products or views does not necessarily represent the views and oppinions of this station. Same thing.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    That doesn't have anything to do with this......"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
    Well, I was taught that ......"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."[/QUOTE] ..... means Congress can't establish a US religion, a la, the Church of America . . . and that Congress can't prohibt anyone from practicing there chosen religion.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well, I was taught that ......"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." ..... means Congress can't establish a US religion, a la, the Church of America . . . and that Congress can't prohibt anyone from practicing there chosen religion....
    do you know what an establishment of religion is?

    its any church, synagoge, mosque, or any religious institution whatsoever.

    that means that govt. cannot pass any law that specifically shows any preferences for a religious institution, house of worship, or even a religion.
    Last edited by Thunder; 03-30-12 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you know what an establishment of religion is?

    its any church, synagoge, mosque, or any religious institution whatsoever.

    that means that govt. cannot pass any law that specifically shows any preferences for a religious institution, house of worship, or even a religion.


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    "Did you know that you have two Freedoms granted by the First Amendment regarding Religion?

    "Pilgrims were called Separatists back in England because they wanted independence from the established Church of England. In 1620, they sailed the stormy Atlantic for 63 days on the tiny Mayflower, seeking freedom of religion in the New World.

    The First Amendment contains two clauses about the Freedom of Religion. The first part is known as the Establishment Clause, and the second as the Free Exercise Clause.

    The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from passing laws that will establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. The courts have interpreted the establishment clause to accomplish the separation of church and state.

    The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government from interfering with a person’s practice of his or her religion. However, religious actions and rituals can be limited by civil and federal laws.

    Religious freedom is an absolute right, and includes the right to practice any religion of one’s choice, or no religion at all, and to do this without government control."

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    Re: Man Arrested For Reading The Bible Out Loud

    This is a question. It is not an opinion.

    As you all no doubt realize, one of my favorite short stories is Down the Digestive Tract and into the Cosmos with Mantra, Tantra and Specklebang ... which for those of you whose education is insufficiently rounded is about either an alien who takes acid and hallucinates that he is a human hallucinating that he is an alien or maybe about a human who is hallucinating that he is an alien who is hallucinating that he is a human. Not everybody likes this story what with language and drug use and all.

    Suppose I walked up to a group at the DMV and began loudly reading this story to my captive audience. When I was asked to stop, I didn't. Do you think that I would be detained or would it be OK because this isn't a religious based story?

    I did watch the video associated with this event. However, I'm aware the FOX has a bit of an axe to grind on this topic. So, I solicit the knowledge and wisdom of DP.

    Now, my OPINION. I think this guy was being incredibly annoying and if I had been in line, trying to peacefully ponder the meaning of the universe, I would have been thrilled when the made him STFU.

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