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Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

Really? See I thought that was GOD's decision? I mean, if man killing man is okie dokie (thou shalt not kill anyone?) then what is your claim to moral superiority in killing someone who's been convicted of a crime -- but who, after all, may not be guilty?

I guess ironic was the wrong word. Hypocritical would be the right word.

If you're trying to get biblical....Jesus supported the death penalty in Matthew and Mark. Revelations did as well.

But on a practical note, it is fundamentally impossible for you to support the killing of unborn children, but not axe murderers. How stiltled and twisted you have to get your mind to accept that is beyond comprehension.
 
The great irony is that so many "pro-life" conservatives are also pro-death ... penalty. At least the Catholic Church is consistent in that regard.

the great irony is that so many "pro-choice" liberals think Americans should not be able to choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, choose to use school vouchers, choose to have happy meal toys with kids meals at McDonalds or many other choices.
 
If you're trying to get biblical....Jesus supported the death penalty in Matthew and Mark. Revelations did as well.

Hmm, should I believe you ... or the POPE? On this question I think I'll go with the Pope.
 
the great irony is that so many "pro-choice" liberals think Americans should not be able to choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, choose to use school vouchers, choose to have happy meal toys with kids meals at McDonalds or many other choices.

Oooo, a clusterstrawman.
 
That's a moral argument. Do you not know the difference between morality and practicality?

The fact is the main purpose of the justice system is to punish offenders,so the death penalty serving as the ultimate punishment is practical. It is the scumbag sympathizer argument that criminals are somehow sick and that prisons should serve as something like a hospital for criminals.



Personally I agree with the moral argument for the death penalty, but its just not a pragmatic punishment in that it accomplishes nothing regarding deterrence of crime

The only reason why the death penalty is not that much of a deterrent is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone. IN 10-20 years the only people who still remember the victims are the loved ones of the victims.Its basically amounts to punishing someone 10-20 years later after the fact they have been found guilty.


or cost effectiveness.
This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.
 
This is addressed via a very long and comprehensive appeals process for death row, which is commonly 20+ years. And it's worth pointing out, convictions are not perfect in any area, so your issue is with the legal system which is not perfect. Using your logic, you'd want to also abolish the legal system, correct?

And yet, despite this, innocent people have still lost their lives.

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Pretty simple, it's a risk many pro death penalty folks are willing to accept.
 
Oooo, a clusterstrawman.


Thats like that the pot calling the kettle black when you just typed - "The great irony is that so many "pro-life" conservatives are also pro-death ... penalty. At least the Catholic Church is consistent in that regard."
 
The ultimate punishment for committing the most heinous of crimes.

I think conservatives have somewhat of an obsession with death.

Whether it is the death penalty, war, or using skulls as avatars, there's something there that I can't explain.
 
Machismo and Conservatism?

Maybe. It's not just your run-of-the-mill conservative.

I imagine young metalheads with skulls and demons on their bodies would probably lean toward conservatism.

It's already established that reactionary, far right extremist prison gangs like the AB use skulls and demons to represent their gang culture.
 
The fact is the main purpose of the justice system is to punish offenders,so the death penalty serving as the ultimate punishment is practical. It is the scumbag sympathizer argument that criminals are somehow sick and that prisons should serve as something like a hospital for criminals.


The only reason why the death penalty is not that much of a deterrent is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone. IN 10-20 years the only people who still remember the victims are the loved ones of the victims.Its basically amounts to punishing someone 10-20 years later after the fact they have been found guilty.

This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.

A great many people who commit crimes are in fact sick with a mental illness, its a sweeping and dangerous generality to assume that all criminals are fully mentally competent. There are actually currently more mentally ill people serving time in prison than are receiving treatment in mental hospitals. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/storage/documents/final_jails_v_hospitals_study.pdf
It's easy to prove that all criminals are not in fact free of some kind of sickness. That's not a "scumbag" argument its simple fact.

You're argument about deterrence is not supported, it is a theory but without a practical comparison its a difficult argument to make. I suppose you could look at countries like Saudi Arabia, who executes much faster, and compare their crime rate rate however their culture and laws are so radically different it would be an extremely tough argument to make.

Trials, appeals and other things are a person's fundamental Constitutional rights, there is no argument for violating those you'd like to make is there?
 
But no guarantee that the state isn't murdering an innocent man....

Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
 
A great many people who commit crimes are in fact sick with a mental illness, its a sweeping and dangerous generality to assume that all criminals are fully mentally competent. There are actually currently more mentally ill people serving time in prison than are receiving treatment in mental hospitals. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/storage/documents/final_jails_v_hospitals_study.pdf
It's easy to prove that all criminals are not in fact free of some kind of sickness. That's not a "scumbag" argument its simple fact.

The fact some of these inmates may or may not be mentally ill does not change the fact that they should be punished for their crimes.


You're argument about deterrence is not supported,

The only reason the death penalty is not as good of a deterrent it should be is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone.



Trials, appeals and other things are a person's fundamental Constitutional rights, there is no argument for violating those you'd like to make is there?
Appeals should be based on the degree of evidence and testimony used to convict someone.For example Video evidence should mean no appeals.
 
If it didn't take 10-20 years to execute many of those criminals we could be number one or two. I am sure scumbag sympathizers will see being one of the top 5 as a bad thing.

I can't believe that anyone would see being high on this list as a good thing.
 
There's no irony at all. Innocent life doesn't deserve death. Convicted criminals who have earned death - deserve death. The difference is the life in the womb hasn't done anything wrong except exist. If you can't figure that out without resorting to "irony" talking points, I can't help you.

I don't think that life necessarily "deserves" death. Life should be respected and honored. Even the guilty live, and even the guilty are human.
 
Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
I guess that's the difference between you and me. I'd rather see 999 guys serve life without parole than see the government execute one innocent man.
 
Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.
Can't argue with that logic. Should've killed all the kids that survived columbine to make sure that they got the shooter.
 
U.S. joins the top execution club. I would rank U.S. 1st because of it's mistaken convictions.
I'm pretty sure that the top 4 countries have more than their fair share of innocents exectued. As deeply flawed as our legal system is, it probably gives condemned individuals more chances at retribution through the appeals process than any other.
 
I'm pretty sure that the top 4 countries have more than their fair share of innocents exectued. As deeply flawed as our legal system is, it probably gives condemned individuals more chances at retribution through the appeals process than any other.

Yet another argument against the death penalty.
 
Yet another argument against the death penalty.
Absolutely, I'm in no way in favor of the death penalty, I'm just pointing out the flaw in implying that the 4 countries ahead of us don't execute massive amounts of innocents.
 
Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.

That's just because you're a sick puppy. But I think everyone here, including yourself, knows that.
 
Can't argue with that logic. Should've killed all the kids that survived columbine to make sure that they got the shooter.

Show me an executed prisoner who is/was truly innocent. Not just of the crime he/she was charged with, but truly innocent. I doubt you could actually find one.


I wish I could [take] that statement seriously.

I hold no great worth or value to a human life, Boo. I think that's pretty well known.


That's just because you're a sick puppy. But I think everyone here, including yourself, knows that.

Sick alright. Sick and tired of throwing up in my mouth every time I look at the society that surrounds me on a daily basis. The stupidity, the immorality, and the shreer insanity of the vast majority of human beings I run into on a daily basis is stunning to me.
 
Show me an executed prisoner who is/was truly innocent. Not just of the crime he/she was charged with, but truly innocent. I doubt you could actually find one.




I hold no great worth or value to a human life, Boo. I think that's pretty well known.




Sick alright. Sick and tired of throwing up in my mouth every time I look at the society that surrounds me on a daily basis. The stupidity, the immorality, and the shreer insanity of the vast majority of human beings I run into on a daily basis is stunning to me.

All of which makes it hard to take these posts seriously.

Personally, I like people. I'm reminded of the Whiskey Priest in the novel The Power and The Glory. He said that God can be found in the criminal as well as the judge, in sinner as well as the saint. It is in people that we see God. Not in self righteous desire for perfection.
 
All of which makes it hard to take these posts seriously.

That's fine. I'm not here to entertain OR enlighten you, so that's your problem not mine.

Personally, I like people. I'm reminded of the Whiskey Priest in the novel The Power and The Glory. He said that God can be found in the criminal as well as the judge, in sinner as well as the saint. It is in people that we see God. Not in self righteous desire for perfection.

I've never been a big "people person". I find most people are not worth investing my time in. Besides, "God" and I parted company a little over a decade ago. Something about a breach of contract issue.
 
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