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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This is addressed via a very long and comprehensive appeals process for death row, which is commonly 20+ years. And it's worth pointing out, convictions are not perfect in any area, so your issue is with the legal system which is not perfect. Using your logic, you'd want to also abolish the legal system, correct?
    And yet, despite this, innocent people have still lost their lives.

    Not sure I understand what you mean.
    Pretty simple, it's a risk many pro death penalty folks are willing to accept.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oooo, a clusterstrawman.

    Thats like that the pot calling the kettle black when you just typed - "The great irony is that so many "pro-life" conservatives are also pro-death ... penalty. At least the Catholic Church is consistent in that regard."
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The ultimate punishment for committing the most heinous of crimes.
    I think conservatives have somewhat of an obsession with death.

    Whether it is the death penalty, war, or using skulls as avatars, there's something there that I can't explain.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I think conservatives have somewhat of an obsession with death.

    Whether it is the death penalty, war, or using skulls as avatars, there's something there that I can't explain.
    Machismo and Conservatism?
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Machismo and Conservatism?
    Maybe. It's not just your run-of-the-mill conservative.

    I imagine young metalheads with skulls and demons on their bodies would probably lean toward conservatism.

    It's already established that reactionary, far right extremist prison gangs like the AB use skulls and demons to represent their gang culture.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact is the main purpose of the justice system is to punish offenders,so the death penalty serving as the ultimate punishment is practical. It is the scumbag sympathizer argument that criminals are somehow sick and that prisons should serve as something like a hospital for criminals.


    The only reason why the death penalty is not that much of a deterrent is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone. IN 10-20 years the only people who still remember the victims are the loved ones of the victims.Its basically amounts to punishing someone 10-20 years later after the fact they have been found guilty.

    This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.
    A great many people who commit crimes are in fact sick with a mental illness, its a sweeping and dangerous generality to assume that all criminals are fully mentally competent. There are actually currently more mentally ill people serving time in prison than are receiving treatment in mental hospitals. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.o...tals_study.pdf
    It's easy to prove that all criminals are not in fact free of some kind of sickness. That's not a "scumbag" argument its simple fact.

    You're argument about deterrence is not supported, it is a theory but without a practical comparison its a difficult argument to make. I suppose you could look at countries like Saudi Arabia, who executes much faster, and compare their crime rate rate however their culture and laws are so radically different it would be an extremely tough argument to make.

    Trials, appeals and other things are a person's fundamental Constitutional rights, there is no argument for violating those you'd like to make is there?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But no guarantee that the state isn't murdering an innocent man....
    Hey, I'll take 99 innocent executions to make sure we get every guilty one.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    A great many people who commit crimes are in fact sick with a mental illness, its a sweeping and dangerous generality to assume that all criminals are fully mentally competent. There are actually currently more mentally ill people serving time in prison than are receiving treatment in mental hospitals. http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.o...tals_study.pdf
    It's easy to prove that all criminals are not in fact free of some kind of sickness. That's not a "scumbag" argument its simple fact.
    The fact some of these inmates may or may not be mentally ill does not change the fact that they should be punished for their crimes.


    You're argument about deterrence is not supported,
    The only reason the death penalty is not as good of a deterrent it should be is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone.



    Trials, appeals and other things are a person's fundamental Constitutional rights, there is no argument for violating those you'd like to make is there?
    Appeals should be based on the degree of evidence and testimony used to convict someone.For example Video evidence should mean no appeals.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it didn't take 10-20 years to execute many of those criminals we could be number one or two. I am sure scumbag sympathizers will see being one of the top 5 as a bad thing.
    I can't believe that anyone would see being high on this list as a good thing.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There's no irony at all. Innocent life doesn't deserve death. Convicted criminals who have earned death - deserve death. The difference is the life in the womb hasn't done anything wrong except exist. If you can't figure that out without resorting to "irony" talking points, I can't help you.
    I don't think that life necessarily "deserves" death. Life should be respected and honored. Even the guilty live, and even the guilty are human.
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