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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    I think the best pragmatic reason against the death penalty is that innocents get indeed wrongly convicted and executed. Even the best systems has flaws. If they got a different sentence, this error could be made up by releasing and compensating them -- you can't do that with dead people and innocent blood will be on your hands.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But others can be. It is a real problem with the death penalty.
    This is addressed via a very long and comprehensive appeals process for death row, which is commonly 20+ years. And it's worth pointing out, convictions are not perfect in any area, so your issue is with the legal system which is not perfect. Using your logic, you'd want to also abolish the legal system, correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are other problem, but those who favor it seem to be able to accept innocent life being lost.
    Not sure I understand what you mean.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There's no irony at all. Innocent life doesn't deserve death. Convicted criminals who have earned death - deserve death. The difference is the life in the womb hasn't done anything wrong except exist. If you can't figure that out without resorting to "irony" talking points, I can't help you.
    Really? See I thought that was GOD's decision? I mean, if man killing man is okie dokie (thou shalt not kill anyone?) then what is your claim to moral superiority in killing someone who's been convicted of a crime -- but who, after all, may not be guilty?

    I guess ironic was the wrong word. Hypocritical would be the right word.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Moral arguments aside, what are the practical reasons for the death penalty?
    100% guarantee against recidivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    100% guarantee against recidivism.
    But no guarantee that the state isn't murdering an innocent man....
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Really? See I thought that was GOD's decision? I mean, if man killing man is okie dokie (thou shalt not kill anyone?) then what is your claim to moral superiority in killing someone who's been convicted of a crime -- but who, after all, may not be guilty?

    I guess ironic was the wrong word. Hypocritical would be the right word.
    If you're trying to get biblical....Jesus supported the death penalty in Matthew and Mark. Revelations did as well.

    But on a practical note, it is fundamentally impossible for you to support the killing of unborn children, but not axe murderers. How stiltled and twisted you have to get your mind to accept that is beyond comprehension.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The great irony is that so many "pro-life" conservatives are also pro-death ... penalty. At least the Catholic Church is consistent in that regard.
    the great irony is that so many "pro-choice" liberals think Americans should not be able to choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, choose to use school vouchers, choose to have happy meal toys with kids meals at McDonalds or many other choices.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If you're trying to get biblical....Jesus supported the death penalty in Matthew and Mark. Revelations did as well.
    Hmm, should I believe you ... or the POPE? On this question I think I'll go with the Pope.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    the great irony is that so many "pro-choice" liberals think Americans should not be able to choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, choose to use school vouchers, choose to have happy meal toys with kids meals at McDonalds or many other choices.
    Oooo, a clusterstrawman.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's a moral argument. Do you not know the difference between morality and practicality?
    The fact is the main purpose of the justice system is to punish offenders,so the death penalty serving as the ultimate punishment is practical. It is the scumbag sympathizer argument that criminals are somehow sick and that prisons should serve as something like a hospital for criminals.



    Personally I agree with the moral argument for the death penalty, but its just not a pragmatic punishment in that it accomplishes nothing regarding deterrence of crime
    The only reason why the death penalty is not that much of a deterrent is due to the fact it takes 10-20 years to execute someone. IN 10-20 years the only people who still remember the victims are the loved ones of the victims.Its basically amounts to punishing someone 10-20 years later after the fact they have been found guilty.


    or cost effectiveness.
    This is due to the scumbag sympathizers increasing the costs of death penalty trials, appeals and other things that make the death penalty more expensive than a life sentence assuming the bias of scumbag sympathizers can be trusted when they say a death sentence is more expensive.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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