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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's the compromise -- that we punish people even though we might get it wrong, but do so in a way that permits an error to be discovered and in some way rectified. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to punish anyone at all.
    the only difference between sentencing someone to sit in prison until they are executed and sentencing someone to sit in prison until they die of natural causes is the window of time for an exoneration to come to light (which is probably not even very large considering how long capital cases drag on through appeals).

    So the rejection of the former and acceptance of the latter is completely arbitrary. It's silly. Any sort of supposed moral high ground in opposing the death penalty simply does not exist.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    the only difference between sentencing someone to sit in prison until they are executed and sentencing someone to sit in prison until they die of natural causes is the window of time for an exoneration to come to light (which is probably not even very large considering how long capital cases drag on through appeals).

    So the rejection of the former and acceptance of the latter is completely arbitrary. It's silly. Any sort of supposed moral high ground in opposing the death penalty simply does not exist.
    Of course it exists. The difference is that an execution time is set by the system, whereas a natural death occurs on a schedule beyond our control. Additionally, the process of executing an inmate can be streamlined, whereas death by natural causes can not.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions
    US ranks 3rd in population.










    Seriously you do not want to live in an overpopulated country, stop immigration now.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Singapore, and Taiwan are western countries now? I've heard about continental drift, but had no idea it was proceeding so rapidly.

    It's interesting that the death penalty is seen as a "conservative" issue. I'd think that they'd be the last ones to want to allow the government to put people to death.

    But, then, there are a lot of apparent contradictions in the left vs right political model.
    With that logic, Australia is not part of the west either. I think it makes more sense to characterize high developed countries as western countries. And Singapore and Taiwan used the death penalty last year. Japan used it this year, and two years ago, but not last year.

    There are no logical gaps. Conservatives are in favour of law and order, that the most heinous crimes will get the ultimate punishment and Death Penalty is a way to do that.

    I think you are focused on mistrust of the government, but that is not really a conservative issue. Libertarians and liberals, mistrust the government as well. Except liberals want to reform it, and not reduce it. Most conservatives do not think the government is so corrupt, that they will misuse the death penalty, like they have done in China.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    the only difference between sentencing someone to sit in prison until they are executed and sentencing someone to sit in prison until they die of natural causes is the window of time for an exoneration to come to light (which is probably not even very large considering how long capital cases drag on through appeals).

    So the rejection of the former and acceptance of the latter is completely arbitrary. It's silly. Any sort of supposed moral high ground in opposing the death penalty simply does not exist.
    one sentenced to die is killed
    another sentenced to life in prison is not
    and you do not see a difference in morality of those two outcomes, killing versus not killing
    making a decision not to execute someone is anything but arbitrary. it is deliberate. it is moral
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    one sentenced to die is killed
    another sentenced to life in prison is not
    and you do not see a difference in morality of those two outcomes, killing versus not killing
    making a decision not to execute someone is anything but arbitrary. it is deliberate. it is moral
    le sigh. of course there's a difference. i was speaking in context of the argument that execution shouldn't be allowed because the convicted may be innocent. On those grounds, there is no more reason to reject execution than there is to reject life sentences. Rejecting one of those while accepting the other on those grounds is completely arbitrary.

    your argument is different (but equally wrong). i mean, what are you saying, that killing someone is reprehensible, but locking them in a cage for the rest of their life isn't?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Of course it exists. The difference is that an execution time is set by the system, whereas a natural death occurs on a schedule beyond our control.
    do you think that matters to a man who is innocent and spends his entire life rotting in a jail cell, never being exonerated? You think that in his final moments dying alone he's like "well, at least they didn't execute me"?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    do you think that matters to a man who is innocent and spends his entire life rotting in a jail cell, never being exonerated? You think that in his final moments dying alone he's like "well, at least they didn't execute me"?
    Do you think they'd prefer to be executed?
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do you think they'd prefer to be executed?
    Maybe. Personally, i would. But that's besides the point. I just don't see a tremendous difference in executing an innocent man and locking him in a cage until he dies of old age. Both are horrible tragedies. Given that, why you're unwilling to accept occasional incidences of the former but willing to accept occasional incidences of the latter is arbitrary and nonsensical. Why is one acceptable and one isn't?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Maybe. Personally, i would. But that's besides the point. I just don't see a tremendous difference in executing an innocent man and locking him in a cage until he dies of old age. Both are horrible tragedies. Given that, why you're unwilling to accept occasional incidences of the former but willing to accept occasional incidences of the latter is arbitrary and nonsensical. Why is one acceptable and one isn't?
    Because a man can be exonerated, released, and compensated for what the state has done. It is terrible, but there is some room for restitution. There is none if the man is dead. If someone is locked up for life and wants to end they can off themselves. The state does not have the right to kill them.
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