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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think you miss a very important point about most Conservatives, TED.... We're not necessarily Small-Government as much as we are Properly Focused Government. Now that Properly Focused Government does tend to be somewhat smaller than what we currently have, but that's a byproduct, not the real focus.
    I think what you're missing is that that particular flavor of conservatism puts you in a very small group. Most conservatives go on at length about wanting smaller government and more freedom.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think what you're missing is that that particular flavor of conservatism puts you in a very small group. Most conservatives go on at length about wanting smaller government and more freedom.
    That's because they're not in reality, Conservatives. Real Conservatives realize that Freedom and Liberty are PRIVILEGES, reserve for those who have PROVEN they can think, act, and speak within the proper limits of society and culture.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's because they're not in reality, Conservatives. Real Conservatives realize that Freedom and Liberty are PRIVILEGES, reserve for those who have PROVEN they can think, act, and speak within the proper limits of society and culture.
    No, that's because you're not really conservative. Real conservatives realize that liberty is a birthright and not a privilege.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm not sure there's ever been a study done about how many dead people commit crimes after they're already dead. Personally, I don't believe that execution is CURRENTLY a deterent to future crimes by other people. There are two reasons for that....

    1. There is no required public viewing of these executions
    2. These executions are carried out in way too "humane" of a manner.

    Some 15 year old thinking about putting a bullet into someone isn't going to be deterred by the very slim chance that he heard about a fellow gang member being executed by lethal injection two weeks earlier. HOWEVER, the memory of being forced to watch that fellow gang member do the "rope dance" might just be enough to make him think twice.
    That's ****ing disgusting.
    Humane? Yeah Tigger, let's completely forget the fact that we're human, instead let's just focus on efficiency. (Your totally going to ignore the sarcasm and agree with that, aren't you?)

    Your blatant disregard of human life is atrocious.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think the best pragmatic reason against the death penalty is that innocents get indeed wrongly convicted and executed. Even the best systems has flaws. If they got a different sentence, this error could be made up by releasing and compensating them -- you can't do that with dead people and innocent blood will be on your hands.

    You can't "make up" for decades spent in prison.

    I hear this argument - that we shouldn't execute people on the chance that they may be innocent - all the time and I think it's bs. The glaring flaw is that you're basing your sentencing on the premise that the individual may be innocent. But if you're going to do that, the only logical conclusion is that you shouldn't punish them at all. That's the fundamental underlying principle of our judicial system - innocent until proven guilty. If you are acknowledging that an individual may still be innocent, then you have absolutely no grounds to be sentencing them at all.

    If you don't like the fact that innocent people are getting convicted, then look to fix the flaws in the trial process that are allowing for it, not the sentencing. Treat the cause, not the symptom.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yet, despite this, innocent people have still lost their lives.
    Many more innocent people have lost years, even decades of their life in prison. Should we refrain from issuing prison sentences to avoid such tragedies?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    The left is extremely dumb trying to talk about this issue. Voters then get scared that Democrats will try to ban the death penalty, and will vote for Republicans.

    I think this is just a moral issue. It is not there to prevent recidivism. It is there to be the ultimate punishment for cruel people. It is there to scare people from doing crime. I will say it is completly up to the state if they want to ban death penalty or not.

    BTW: America was not the only western country who used the death penalty last year. Singapore, and Taiwan also did.
    Singapore, and Taiwan are western countries now? I've heard about continental drift, but had no idea it was proceeding so rapidly.

    It's interesting that the death penalty is seen as a "conservative" issue. I'd think that they'd be the last ones to want to allow the government to put people to death.

    But, then, there are a lot of apparent contradictions in the left vs right political model.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I hear this argument - that we shouldn't execute people on the chance that they may be innocent - all the time and I think it's bs. The glaring flaw is that you're basing your sentencing on the premise that the individual may be innocent.
    I'm basing my argument on the fact that the justice system is flawed -- and always will be, due to the fact that it was designed and run by humans. I don't want the death penalty employed in a system where human error is a powerful actor.

    You can't "make up" for decades spent in prison, but at least you've got time left if you're exonerated and released. It's a compromise, not a solution. There isn't a solution.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You can't "make up" for decades spent in prison, but at least you've got time left if you're exonerated and released.
    That's an irrelevant distinction.

    But, if you like, I will just shift my argument to the individuals who are innocent and never get exonerated. They spend their entire life wrongly imprisoned. Shouldn't we stop imposing life prison sentences to avoid such situations?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's a compromise, not a solution. There isn't a solution.
    No it's a double standard.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    That's an irrelevant distinction.

    But, if you like, I will just shift my argument to the individuals who are innocent and never get exonerated. They spend their entire life wrongly imprisoned. Shouldn't we stop imposing life prison sentences to avoid such situations?
    That's the compromise -- that we punish people even though we might get it wrong, but do so in a way that permits an error to be discovered and in some way rectified. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to punish anyone at all.
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