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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Show me study that shows the death penalty is an actual deterant against further crime.
    I'm not sure there's ever been a study done about how many dead people commit crimes after they're already dead. Personally, I don't believe that execution is CURRENTLY a deterent to future crimes by other people. There are two reasons for that....

    1. There is no required public viewing of these executions
    2. These executions are carried out in way too "humane" of a manner.

    Some 15 year old thinking about putting a bullet into someone isn't going to be detered by the very slim chance that he heard about a fellow gang member being executed by lethal injection two weeks earlier. HOWEVER, the memory of being forced to watch that fellow gang member do the "rope dance" might just be enough to make him think twice.


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm always entertained by small-government conservatives complaining about the nanny government on the one hand and citing "punishment" as one of the roles of government on the other -- Like it's our mommy and daddy or something.
    I think you miss a very important point about most Conservatives, TED.... We're not necessarily Small-Government as much as we are Properly Focused Government. Now that Properly Focused Government does tend to be somewhat smaller than what we currently have, but that's a byproduct, not the real focus.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm not sure there's ever been a study done about how many dead people commit crimes after they're already dead. Personally, I don't believe that execution is CURRENTLY a deterent to future crimes by other people. There are two reasons for that....

    1. There is no required public viewing of these executions
    2. These executions are carried out in way too "humane" of a manner.

    Some 15 year old thinking about putting a bullet into someone isn't going to be detered by the very slim chance that he heard about a fellow gang member being executed by lethal injection two weeks earlier. HOWEVER, the memory of being forced to watch that fellow gang member do the "rope dance" might just be enough to make him think twice.




    I think you miss a very important point about most Conservatives, TED.... We're not necessarily Small-Government as much as we are Properly Focused Government. Now that Properly Focused Government does tend to be somewhat smaller than what we currently have, but that's a byproduct, not the real focus.
    So, that explains the unabated growth of government regardless of who is in power.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, that explains the unabated growth of government regardless of who is in power.
    Pretty much. The problem is that under the current system there is really no way to do away with things once they're in the budget. So each group simply tries to focus the NEW spending on what they feel is important without any ability to carve out the great swath of things that they do not want to be spending money on because of the system we have in place.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Pretty much. The problem is that under the current system there is really no way to do away with things once they're in the budget. So each group simply tries to focus the NEW spending on what they feel is important without any ability to carve out the great swath of things that they do not want to be spending money on because of the system we have in place.
    I've suspected as much for some time now. There isn't anyone willing to do more than pay lip service to cutting back the size of the government. One side wants to spend on their favorite programs, the other side on something else, but no one wants to actually cut back. Conservatives, real fiscal conservatives that is, not the kind that simply want to run your life for you and start foreign wars, are extinct in Washington.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I've suspected as much for some time now. There isn't anyone willing to do more than pay lip service to cutting back the size of the government. One side wants to spend on their favorite programs, the other side on something else, but no one wants to actually cut back. Conservatives, real fiscal conservatives that is, not the kind that simply want to run your life for you and start foreign wars, are extinct in Washington.
    The problem, in great part, is the system and the language in Washington DC. A "cut" is not really a "cut". It's simply a reduction in the rate of increase in almost all cases. Every time that a group stands up to suggest REAL cuts, they get beaten like a piniata in the media and the court of public opinion. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who once said.... "The Republic will stand until people realize they can vote themselves monies from the public treasury." He was absolutely correct in that estimation. The moment we started giving people money, the government ceased to have any limits and we were screwed.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem, in great part, is the system and the language in Washington DC. A "cut" is not really a "cut". It's simply a reduction in the rate of increase in almost all cases. Every time that a group stands up to suggest REAL cuts, they get beaten like a piniata in the media and the court of public opinion. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who once said.... "The Republic will stand until people realize they can vote themselves monies from the public treasury." He was absolutely correct in that estimation. The moment we started giving people money, the government ceased to have any limits and we were screwed.
    That may be partly correct. Not all of the expansion of government involves giving people money.

    But, you've put your finger on the problem: Nobody wants to cut back the size and power of the federal bureaucracy, they just want to "focus" it to better achieve their particular agenda. Of course, one person's proper focus is another's wasteful spending.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Can people please stop feeding the man-eating tiger?

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not on any large aggregated scale, no. Particularly from modern day maximum security prisons. Escape is very rare. And the isolated cases which do occur do not occur with enough frequency to cause an aggregated decline in "safety".
    You seem to believe that scale should be a factor. If it happens even once, that is one time too many. If it is prevented from happening by the execution of a murderer, even once, then it has contributed to the safety of society.

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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You seem to believe that scale should be a factor. If it happens even once, that is one time too many. If it is prevented from happening by the execution of a murderer, even once, then it has contributed to the safety of society.
    What about when an innocent person is executed? Does that contribute to the safety of society? The number of lives saved by cutting short the life of condemned criminals is exceedingly small if it is even a factor with today's security measures. Your logic is silly, because you are trying to save the lives of a few people who are probably not in any real danger by condemning to death a small number of innocent people who are on death row.
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    Re: Report: US Ranks 5th in Global Executions

    The left is extremely dumb trying to talk about this issue. Voters then get scared that Democrats will try to ban the death penalty, and will vote for Republicans.

    I think this is just a moral issue. It is not there to prevent recidivism. It is there to be the ultimate punishment for cruel people. It is there to scare people from doing crime. I will say it is completly up to the state if they want to ban death penalty or not.

    BTW: America was not the only western country who used the death penalty last year. Singapore, and Taiwan also did.

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